Books on B-17s

[PWC]

Continued firing of the A10's 30mm cannon will stall the plane, at least that is what I heard from a Davis-Monthon pilot

[fguffey]

And then there was the Titanic; the only way the Titanic could sink would be if they did nothing. And that is what they did, nothing.

F. Guffey

[PWC]

I don't follow your convoluted reasoning; how do you get to sinking ships from recoil affects on aircraft firing their cannons?

[fguffey]

I don't follow your convoluted reasoning;

Did you understand the part about the big ship sinking? I said it was not necessary.

F. Guffey

[PWC]

Yes, I read it, but there is no straight line connection between cannon recoil on an airframe and an aledged "unnecessary" sinking oceanliner unless you wander around awhile.

Once the water got over the first bulkhead, the Titanic was doomed to go down by the head. Unnecessary if you change the design, unnecessary if you change the course, ......maybe if it had a rail to launch a recoverable sea plane, then the ship would have a connection to aircraft, but alas it didn't.

[fguffey]

Yes, I read it, but there is no straight line connection between cannon recoil on an airframe and an aledged "unnecessary" sinking oceanliner unless you wander around awhile.

Depends; I am of the opinion you believe I am trying to out do you and you are going for the last word. Back to recoil, I was impressed with the instillation of the 75MM Howitzer that was installed in the B25 and the possible configurations of 50 Cal. machineguns on and in the B26.

14/16 lifeboats left the Captain with no options, all he had to do was slap that big boat in reverse, let out on the clutch and then return to Ireland/England. I understand it would have been embarrassing for the Captain drive that big boat into port looking backwards.

Slapping the big boat in reverse would have stopped the water from running in and once under way the water in the big boat would have flowed out. Down in front: Once underway water flowing under the boat would have pushed the front up and that could not have been a bad thing.

If sailing that boat back to England/Irland would have been embarrassing they could have backed the out and sailed in a big circle while they waited for the Carpathian. And then they could have run the big boat over to the Californian and tied up to it.

F. Guffey

[PWC]

If that was a VIABLE option I believe the responsible people on scene, including the ships designer, would have taken it.

[fguffey]

If that was a VIABLE option I believe the responsible people on scene, including the ships designer, would have taken it.

Again, they did nothing and the ship sank.

Earlier, Jack Johnson on that ship wanted to go but the captain told him that ship did not haul no coal. By those that were denied passage sang a song about the Titanic speeding around a curve and bumped into a big old iceberg. They say when Jack Johnson heard about that ship he did the eagle rock and the double back flip

The song was recorded at the time but did not get air time. The song was included in Ledbetter's Last Secession.

F. Guffey

[fguffey]

Had there been any shipman ship going on when the ship hit ‘the big iceberg’ the first man on the scene would have kicked the dogs out of the anchor winches and sent the anchors and chains to the deep blue sea.

And then a ‘and then moment’? If someone asks the seaman “Why did you do that?” The seaman could have said; I wanted the bow of the ship to come up, not down. SO! All of you non sailors turnaround and head to the stern of the shop, that is the end of the ship with the propellers.

F. Guffey

[fguffey]

If the Titanic had three matching anchors the weight of all three could have been close to 50,000 pounds. And if the links weighed 250 pounds each three chains could have weighed 40,000 pounds.

F. Guffey

[PWC]

I'll allow you may know more about loading than many here on Jouster, except for possibly shoulder set back, but you should recognize that on the scene experts dealing with the situation, under stress, knew more than an arm chair quarter back analysis more than a hundred years later.

[fguffey]

I'll allow you may know more about loading than many here on Jouster, except for possibly shoulder set back

Shoulder set back:

I am the only one that says it is impossible to move the shoulder back with a die that has case body support. I am told it is possible; problem, no one can tell me how.

I have scribed cases at the shoulder case body juncture; problem, I can not find a reloader that understands what that means.

I am the only reloader that can move the shoulder back but I can not move the shoulder back with a sizing die that has case body.

F. Guffey

[PWC]

S.A. Boggs - Sam, what's the medical term for "I'm right and everyone else is wrong"?

[fguffey]

S.A. Boggs - Sam, what's the medical term for "I'm right and everyone else is wrong"?

I can not move the shoulder of a case back when sizing a case with a die that has full body support. I can not bump a shoulder back, I understand it sounds cool, I am not trying to be cool I am trying to be honest.

Back to the big ships, nothing changed the moment the Titanic hit the iceberg, if the Captain stops thinking and does nothing there is a big chance the ship will be lost. John Paul Jones was given a ship that was sinking and he knew it was going to sink. He did not have any alligators but he did have some big guns; when they fired them the big guns cleared his deck and killed the gun crews. John Paul Jones keep on shipping.

He tied his shop to a beautiful British ship, the captain of the British ship begged his snipers not to shoot John Paul Jones, the British Commander knew the Bonomi Richard was going to sink, he also knew if the Richard sank there would be no place to stand so he surrendered to John Paul Jones; and that made John Paul Jones happy.

F. Guffey

[JOHN COOK]

PWC, you can’t win a discussion with someone who was present when the universe was created...

John in SC