NRA supports bump-stock regulations...........

[leftyo]

its not about the stock! thinking the dems/anti's have a short memory is ludicrous. i should add, what are you going to give up next?

[swampyankee]

its not about the stock! thinking the dems/anti's have a short memory is ludicrous. i should add, what are you going to give up next?

Yes it is about the stock. Don't try to make it more than it is. Nobody is giving up anything because nobody cared about this stupid stock a week ago, didn't even know it existed. I said the public has a short memory not politicians, don't change my words.

[Sandpebble]

Yes it is about the stock. Don't try to make it more than it is. Nobody is giving up anything because nobody cared about this stupid stock a week ago, didn't even know it existed. I said the public has a short memory not politicians, don't change my words.

Thats right Swampy ... its called concessions. We make them.... or lose. As Togor aptly put it ... give up a domino

[Dan Shapiro]

So people are OPPOSED to "giving up" what many of us were totally unaware of just one week ago.

Hmmmmmm...............and the left, for some reason, is no longer obsessed with statues this week. Like they were two weeks ago.

[leftyo]

Yes it is about the stock. Don't try to make it more than it is. Nobody is giving up anything because nobody cared about this stupid stock a week ago, didn't even know it existed. I said the public has a short memory not politicians, don't change my words.

i didnt change your words, i disagree'd with your words. its not about the damned stock! people are very short sighted to think it is. while they may have given up on statues, the dems have been after all things gun for over 50yrs, and havent given up. they may have taken a few pauses, but they have not stopped.

[Sandpebble]

Permit me to point out a "small" point Dan

So people are OPPOSED to "giving up" what many of us were totally unaware of just one week ago.

Hmmmmmm...............and the left, for some reason, is no longer obsessed with statues this week. Like they were two weeks ago.

Even you can't overlook the fact that 59 dead and 520 wounded in one ten minute period creates an awfull lot of awareness...... can you?

And please explain how you could even imagine why those 59 dead and 520 wounded wouldn't draw attention away from... statues...

[togor]

A point my daughter made is that for the number dead and wounded, there are many more who were there and experienced being under fire. Whether or not they bear witness to that when they return home, and to what end, remains to be seen. But it is different than other shootings in the sheer number of people targeted.

I read reports that he was wanting tracers, presumably for the usual reason, and that he took some potshots at the jet fuel tanks. It's as though this guy cooked up the ultimate plan to wreak havoc through legally acquired means.

[USMilitaryGuy]

More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes _ PunditFact

Politifact has an example of all the statistics

Thanks for the reply.

For those that don't want to have to look it up - http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ars-says-colu/

OK. They had numbers. I have a calculator.

From 1968 until 2015 is 47 years. (Their cut-off date, not mine.) They used the year of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination. He was actually assassinated in June, but I gave them the whole year in order to lower the daily death count. With an average of 365 days per year (because I did not want to calculate leap years), is a total of 17,155 days.

1,516,863 deaths (their number) divided by 17,155 days equals a little more than 88 deaths per day - everyday of the year - for 47 years.

Statistics - you gotta love them.

You would think 88 gun deaths per day - everyday - for 47 years would be . . . ummmm . . . common knowledge? I guess you can learn (or at least read) something everyday.

Thanks, again for the info.

[p246]

A point my daughter made is that for the number dead and wounded, there are many more who were there and experienced being under fire. Whether or not they bear witness to that when they return home, and to what end, remains to be seen. But it is different than other shootings in the sheer number of people targeted.

I read reports that he was wanting tracers, presumably for the usual reason, and that he took some potshots at the jet fuel tanks. It's as though this guy cooked up the ultimate plan to wreak havoc through legally acquired means.

Tracers work both ways. Does anyone know if he actually used them or just tried to buy them. Have seen both versions in print stories.

[leftyo]

Tracers work both ways. Does anyone know if he actually used them or just tried to buy them. Have seen both versions in print stories.

have not heard anything about him using tracers or attempting to buy them. tracers arent hard to get, so my guess is if he wanted them, he would have gotten them.

[Sandpebble]

And I thank you ..

Thanks for the reply.

For those that don't want to have to look it up - http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ars-says-colu/

OK. They had numbers. I have a calculator.

From 1968 until 2015 is 47 years. (Their cut-off date, not mine.) They used the year of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination. He was actually assassinated in June, but I gave them the whole year in order to lower the daily death count. With an average of 365 days per year (because I did not want to calculate leap years), is a total of 17,155 days.

1,516,863 deaths (their number) divided by 17,155 days equals a little more than 88 deaths per day - everyday of the year - for 47 years.

Statistics - you gotta love them.

You would think 88 gun deaths per day - everyday - for 47 years would be . . . ummmm . . . common knowledge? I guess you can learn (or at least read) something everyday.

Thanks, again for the info.

And I thank you Sir for a polite response on what is typically a very hostile forum towards any viewpoint not wanted to be heard....

Even as a gun lover I have think hard about those stats ...... even if a lot of them "were only" suicides

[S.A. Boggs]

Thats right Swampy ... its called concessions. We make them.... or lose. As Togor aptly put it ... give up a domino

Why do "we" have to make concessions or is it like waving a signed paper, "Peace in our time!"...does the name of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlin ring a bell? To compromise is to loose, Pelosi has already stated what the National Socialists want in the way of total control. Some of you guys are so bright that you can't see the forest for the trees! Listen to Sandpebble and he will lead your guns directly to the ovens with this appeasement talk. Sandpebble is one of "them" not one of "us" haven't you figured this out by now? Himmler [who was head of the German secret police and SS] said that if German's wanted to have a gun then they should join the Waffen SS! Pebbles is pushing EXACTLY what the other National Socialists of 80 years ago did and people are buying into it.
Sam

[Sandpebble]

Why do "we" have to make concessions or is it like waving a signed paper, "Peace in our time!"...does the name of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlin ring a bell? To compromise is to loose, Pelosi has already stated what the National Socialists want in the way of total control. Some of you guys are so bright that you can't see the forest for the trees! Listen to Sandpebble and he will lead your guns directly to the ovens with this appeasement talk. Sandpebble is one of "them" not one of "us" haven't you figured this out by now? Himmler [who was head of the German secret police and SS] said that if German's wanted to have a gun then they should join the Waffen SS! Pebbles is pushing EXACTLY what the other National Socialists of 80 years ago did and people are buying into it.
Sam

To compromise is to lose you say ...... 59 dead 520 injured in ten minutes...... thats not losing ?

[Dan Shapiro]

And please explain how you could even imagine why those 59 dead and 520 wounded wouldn't draw attention away from... statues...

Evidently they weren't that "hot" on statues to begin with. I can hardly wait to see what the liberal "cause de jure" will be next week.

As I noted in another thread, the NRA just screwed Democrats, by saying they had no problem with regulations on "bump stocks". Some are "indignant". Why? Most of us had never even heard of "bump stocks".

[dobek]

Why make anything illegal, is that the argument? Why can't a guy have as much firepower as he wants? Surely you agree that a line gets drawn somewhere, for the good of civilization, yes?

I am all in favor of people having the freedom to purchase as much firepower as they want.

I have ideas about what is good for civilization - and it doesn't include the government as the solution to all problems.

So willingly give up your rights - beg a bureaucrat for permission to purchase items - I'm just sorry I have to go down with the ship along with you.

Steve