Great news from CMP!

[RED]

They have just released their rules on the 1911's if and when they get them. The great news is there will be a limit of 1 per year per customer. No longer will big gun deaalers be able to order dozens of guns for resale while the intended purpose of CMP was left begging on the street.

A regular Joe may have a shot at getting one.

[Major Tom]

I hope they are not beat up junk at high prices. I have an ATI 45 government that I paid $450 and it accepts all M1911 accessories.

[bruce]

Good news indeed. Never did agree with the idea of anyone being able to buy umpteen rifles and cases upon cases of ammunition ... all supposedly in the name of marksmanship but then turning right around and selling at a profit those rifles and that ammunition. JMHO. bruce.

[JB White]

Good news indeed. Never did agree with the idea of anyone being able to buy umpteen rifles and cases upon cases of ammunition ... all supposedly in the name of marksmanship but then turning right around and selling at a profit those rifles and that ammunition. JMHO. bruce.

I agree, Bruce. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear all the time about the RIGHT to buy however many we wish. That's all fine and dandy until they begin blatently depriving everyone else of their right to have just one.

[RED]

I hope they are not beat up junk at high prices. I have an ATI 45 government that I paid $450 and it accepts all M1911 accessories.

Even if they are beat up junk they are a piece of history. Given the opportunity, I will buy one and probably never shoot it.

[Sunray]

The reason the U.S. military changed handguns in the 90's was that the 1911A1's in the inventory were worn out.
This is the newest info on 'em.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

Ya'll need to make note of this too.
"...CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and..."
"The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included."

[Sandpebble]

I agree, Bruce. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear all the time about the RIGHT to buy however many we wish. That's all fine and dandy until they begin blatently depriving everyone else of their right to have just one.

Ya know JB... this was hashed out on this site years ago . Fact is every one DOES have the right to purchase as many as the CMP will sell them as the CMP sets the limits.

The CMP is in business to accumulate as much money in as short a period of time as possible to subsidize their agenda. And that agenda was never to subsidize collectors by making sure there was a never ending supply of low priced collectables.

And the CMP is not all that concerned with your RIGHT to have just one. When I bought my first one ... from the DCM... you had to prove you were involved in rifle competition . At that time the purchase limit was just one {Garand} in your lifetime .

The free market sucks when you don't make the cut for the latest batch to come out.... right? ... but those guys who max their limit every year are just what the CMP is catering to..... and the CMP cares not one whit if those limit maxers resell them all next week .

As far as the .45s ... I'll pass

[Griff Murphey]

I wonder if any will be Marine Corps guns. I have my custody cards for two of them, the one I won the aggregate Rifle and Pistol 3rd MarDiv intramurals with which came out of 3D med Bn and the one I carried on the Cambodia and Vietnam Evacs which was a 1st bn 4th Marine Reg't gun. Both were good guns my opinion was the .45s I saw in the 3rd division were on the whole a lot less worn out than the XM-16E-1A-2s were. The corpsmen were busy taping the upper and lower receiver joints with adhesive tape on the range to deal with gas blowback.

I hope they will take requests by serial number. I know they did for M-1s.

[PaFrank]

I agree, Bruce. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear all the time about the RIGHT to buy however many we wish. That's all fine and dandy until they begin blatently depriving everyone else of their right to have just one.

AGREE! It wasn't very long after they lifted the limit on M1's that gunshows were flooded with them from profiteers.

[bruce]

AGREE! It wasn't very long after they lifted the limit on M1's that gunshows were flooded with them from profiteers.

Exactly. Understand the limit cramped the style of profiteers. So what. If the limit had remained in place both on rifles and ammo, the profiteers would have been fine selling sausage and coffee at the concessions area of the gun shows. It would not matter to them. After all, people who are in something for just the money, it never matters to them what they are selling. They're just after the money. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[dave]

The whole process sounds too complicated and 'fair market value' is a subjective term. Might be "fair" to one guy but not to another. And from prices I see being asked now, they will be too expensive in my opinion. Certainly be no "correct", original collectables in the mix.
I too will pass, not worth the trouble unless priced at a few hundred and I mean "few"!

[dave]

With this talk of "Fair Market" value, another thing to consider on the M1's. By releasing unlimited numbers to one person CMP surly knew thousands would end up being resold. This in turn fed a very large market of people who did not or could not buy from CMP. They also knew the prices asked would be higher then CMP"S. So they raised their prices, and the sellers went up more, to make a profit. One fed the other! And then they got into 'Grades' so they could ask higher prices. As CMP prices went up so did the private 'fair market price'. They finally sort of leveled off when CMP ran short and the market got saturated. Thus CMP actually caused prices to raise and establish a new higher 'fair market' value' for the M1's. The .45's are already starting at a hi FM Value, they do not have as many and quality of the pistols is probably not the best.

[dave]

Exactly. Understand the limit cramped the style of profiteers. So what. If the limit had remained in place both on rifles and ammo, the profiteers would have been fine selling sausage and coffee at the concessions area of the gun shows. It would not matter to them. After all, people who are in something for just the money, it never matters to them what they are selling. They're just after the money. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

How much sausage and coffee would you have purchased? So much that prices go up and I could not afford it? Your statement has nothing to do with anything!

[JB White]

How much sausage and coffee would you have purchased? So much that prices go up and I could not afford it? Your statement has nothing to do with anything!

Bad analogy there. Sausage and coffee are always available. If not from one source, hundreds, even thousands of others. Nobody would go without for more than a day, and the prices wouldn't be inflated.

[RED]

Thus CMP actually caused prices to raise and establish a new higher 'fair market' value' for the M1's.

And exactly how did this improve civilian marksmanship? The entire intent of the program was to make riles affordable to civilians. The scam artists and thieves bastardized the program and ruined it. It was never meant to subsidize gun dealers and wound up doing the exact opposite of the intent of Congress when they passed the law. Young shooters that were supposed to be the benefiters, were priced out of the market by privateers and the head of the program... retired as a millionaire.

Another completely failed Government program.