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All military type firearms are now outlawed to private citizens. I think this applies to semi-autoloaders. Anyone who owns them previous to the new law must turn them in for a buy-back.
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I wonder how many US made M1's will suffer the fate of destruction?
NZ doesn't have our heritage with firearms."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman -
NZ's current government is a coalition of their socialist Labour Party, their Leftist Green Party and their New Zealand First Party. If either of those decided not to support the legislation, the Labour Party will lose and there should be an election.
"...I think this applies to..." "New Zealand has banned the sale of all “military-style” semi-automatics, assault rifles and high capacity magazines,..." Plus there's a "buy back" program. Supposedly to be in place by 11 April.Spelling and grammar count!Comment
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New Zealanders have a high percentage of gun ownership by world standards, there is about 1 gun per 3 inhabitants in the country.
However....I've read the New Zealand firearms laws and they were draconian even before the shooting that brought on the current revisions. In fact the New Zealand laws in effect previously are an American anti-gunners wet dream.
Trying to bury or hide the offending firearms is probably a fools errand since New Zealand has gun registration laws for "A-Salt Weapons. Modern sporting rifles are far from the most common firearms there by a long shot. There could be a knock on your door if you don't turn in yours if its registered and the authorities are going to want to know where your registered now illegal weapon is.
I read today that New Zealanders are lining up to surrender weapons even before the law goes into effect.Last edited by Art; 03-25-2019, 10:50.Comment
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New Zeelanders will find that a Police State does not have to be jackbooted thugs smashing in the door at 2AM. Your friendly smiling bobby, a lack of a written constitution and Bill of Rights, warrantless searches, no restrictions on admissible evidence, a Surveillance and Snitch society, tremendous pressure to conform and ostracism of those who don't.Comment
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Have an NZ internet friend who is keeping me up on this, He has 7 M-1s that he expects to turn in... Now they are exoanding the dragnet past military guns and lever actions holding more than 5 rounds are on the chop, any pump or semiauto tube feed holding more than 10 is a goner. He cites a friend with an FAL (SLR to them) collection with several one of a kind variants and presentation models all now to be destroyed. He assembled the collection over decades at a cost of a quarter million $NZ, that will go to the furnace. My buddy has a couple of ARs he went to so he could go to optics, along with his Henry 44 lever gun replica he has to turn in. They want all magazines, every gun part, stripper clips even. The tiniest component of a prohibited gun will land a person in jail. The press is loving it portraying the shooters as Nazis and tools of the "American NRA." A very fine national high power champion woman shooter has been subjected to all kinds of defamation for being a spokesperson for the shooting hobby. One of their high police commissioners has stated that good New Zealanders don't own guns. It's really tragic, he's losing his hobby. All these people who never hurt anyone as well!
The previous laws were onerous but better than the NY SAFE ACT.Last edited by Griff Murphey; 04-08-2019, 07:06.Comment
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A police state doesn't have to be jack booted thugs at 2AM now, does it ?
Interesting that a police commissioner is now a moral arbiter.Last edited by blackhawknj; 04-08-2019, 07:34.Comment
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I have a friend who lives in New Zeeland. He owns a small number of rifles which are bolt action SMLE and single shot MH. His prized rifle is a M1 carbine and he is afraid he will loose it to the government. He has had it for years and his whole family loves and enjoys shooting it. But being a semi-auto it will be on the list of those that are evil because of being semi-auto rifle.Comment
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I can’t help but feel terrible for NZ firearms owners. Think about how we would feel if that happened here. BUT it can happen here if we aren’t very vigilant. This should serve as an impetus to get out and fight to elect congress critters who will protect our 2A rights. Personally, I don’t give a $hit about seeing Trumps tax returns - I care a hell of a lot more about his appointment of pro 2A judges.
JMO"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." - Jean Boden
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert FrostComment
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I've attended my local rifle range ... wherever I have lived ... pretty consistently for decades.
Over those decades many massacres have taken place . Massacres that involved the use of firearms.
At those rifle ranges I've attended I'm a bit embarrassed to mention that after each and every massacre no one ever mentioned the victims.... ever.
Just like this thread the discussion is only about... our rights .... the most important thing on earth .....
Maybe those rights are the most important thing on earth ...... but recognition of the victims would do none of us any harm......
know what I mean ?Comment
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It really goes without saying that most if not all of feel hurt for the families of these victims. These are terrible happenings that just shouldn’t happen but happen, they do. Now the families want revenge on all gun owners, not just the perps that do these terrible things. I feel that we can feel sympathy for these families without rolling over and surrendering our firearms to the government.
JMO"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." - Jean Boden
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert FrostComment
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But that is exactly my point Bill ...... " It goes without saying "
A ccuse a victims family of having a knee jerk reaction to firearms.... and we've doubled down on the effort to ban them.
Start attempting to understand the others sides dislike of them and we are half way to solving the problemComment
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People often feel that "something" should have/could have been done to stop this from happening. Reality is very little could have been done from someone bent on destructive behavior. People have to realize that the user is the weapon, all else are simply tools that were used. I have dealt with many victims of violence, a great deal of it unfortunately. The connecting dot is "why" and prevention for future occurrence. The latter statement is the first step to a police state and the decrease in personal freedom. A police state is a controlled atmosphere where rights are granted and freedom is withdrawn. The murder in NZ was wrong, the attack on the users of legal firearms is also wrong. Now will two wrongs make a right? A free society will have some misfits who do wrong, does society turn on itself and look at all as misfits in need of total government control by a few?
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