Today's service rifle and sidearm.

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  • S.A. Boggs
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 8568

    #1

    Today's service rifle and sidearm.

    If YOU had to hump a weapon today, using CURRENT issued shoulder arms what would it be. Rifle must have been adopted after 1957 which deletes the M1. My vote goes to the current rifle issued by the State of Israel. The sidearm is the new M17, am saving my pennies to get one.
    Sam
  • lyman
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11266

    #2
    never served, so all the humping I did was back and forth to Gunshows and the firing line,

    I see nothing wrong with a M16 (or M14)

    pistol, I'm comfortable with a 1911

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    • blackhawknj
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 3754

      #3
      The best firearms aren't that good without proper training. Probably more crack shots in the Army back when they used the 45-70 and Krag-Jorgensen.

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      • Merc
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2016
        • 1690

        #4
        I’d take the M14, the last battle rifle in our arsenal. Side arm - no preference. The 1911 had great stopping power. What’s similar today?

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        • Allen
          Moderator
          • Sep 2009
          • 10580

          #5
          Originally posted by Merc
          The 1911 had great stopping power. What’s similar today?
          The 1911.

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          • bruce
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3759

            #6
            G-3 and a G-17. Figure that'd handle just about anything. Sincerely. bruce.
            " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #7
              I was issued an M2 Carbine on my first tour in Viet Nam, and it got wrapped around a tree and I bummed an M1 from the ARVN. My second tour I bullied my battalion commander into getting me two M14 sniper rifles (pre-m21). I had one man who had been through the 3rd Marine Division sniper school, and he got one of them, I got the other.

              The M1 and M14 are superior rifles, in my opinion IF you know combat shooting.

              And nowadays I can carry any handgun I want, and I carry an M1911.

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              • Art
                Senior Member, Deceased
                • Dec 2009
                • 9256

                #8
                Since opinions are like noses...…here are my personal number one picks.

                The rifle would probably be one of the more recent variants of the Galil (IWI Ace.) If I could be really picky, probably the current Vietnamese Army issue version in 7.62x39 which takes AK magazines.

                I generally carry .357 Magnum revolvers for my everyday guns but they really aren't appropriate to the meaning of the OP. There are a lot of good auto pistols out there without much difference between them in quality or reliability. My personal favorite, out of the ones I've handled are the 4" barrel versions of the Springfield Armory XD. I own its predecessor, the HS 2000 I shoot it well and have thousands of rounds of a variety off ammo through it without a hiccup. I prefer it to the other striker fired types.
                Last edited by Art; 05-26-2019, 03:17.

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                • Allen
                  Moderator
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 10580

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  I was issued an M2 Carbine on my first tour in Viet Nam, and it got wrapped around a tree
                  But wasn't the M2 fun to shoot? It is one of the few full auto's that is controllable--I believe you could write your name with one.

                  Did the M2 get wrapped around the tree accidently or out of frustration?

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                  • Allen
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 10580

                    #10
                    Regardless of our preference I think most of us would rule this one out.
                    Attached Files

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                    • Clark Howard
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 2105

                      #11
                      I shudder to think of shouldering a ruck with a basic load and a pistol belt, with any pistol in the holster. The Model 60 in my back pocket does the job for me now. Regards, Clark

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                      • Sunray
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3251

                        #12
                        "...had to hump a weapon..." How very uncivilized. One puts one's SMG in the turret and closes the hatch. One's pistol is on one's belt. snicker.
                        "...after 1957 which deletes the M1..." That leaves the M-14 and M-16, only. If the adopter is the U.S. of A. You can't have an FN C1 since it was adopted before 1957. SOB's are heavy anyway.
                        An M-14 with the fibreglass stock isn't ugly to lug around. Mostly depends on how you carry the ammo. A BAR mag belt works well if you're not going to be getting into too much shooting. Only holds 12 mags and it'd be heavy with that.
                        "...more crack shots in the Army back when..." Recruits then were no more experienced shooters than they are now. Most were looking for regular meals and a bed that was inside.
                        "...it got wrapped around a tree..." Vern, you really need to tell us that story.
                        Spelling and grammar count!

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                        • jon_norstog
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3896

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Sunray
                          ".. Recruits then were no more experienced shooters than they are now. Most were looking for regular meals and a bed that was inside.
                          That was me in 1966. We all shot the m1 and the 1911 in training. Most of the guys weren't shooters, I was. I could hit anything I could see. USCG, I never handled an issue weapon after boot camp. I was a snipe. I would have chosn the m-14 if I had to go into battle. As far as a sidearm goes .... the bigger bore the better

                          jn

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                          • blackhawknj
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 3754

                            #14
                            Somewhere the Army became very ungun. One long gone friend who enlisted in 1935 said if you qualified "Expert" you received an extra $5 a month-when a private's
                            pay was $21 a month. I'm pretty sure he said they qualified quarterly. I have seen several pictures of Officers and NCOs from that period with their chests covered with marksmanship medals. Conversely in my 4 years 1967-1971 I met only one NCO who was a gun guy , rifle and pistol teams had disappeared-one of the argument against them was it created bitterness among those who had to perform fatigue duties while others were having fun.

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                            • Tuna
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 2686

                              #15
                              Ah yes the new Sig side arm. Seems it has quite a few bugs to get rid of. But it seems that they go all the way back to the Sig 250 I was told. Feeding problems as many times if you fire a full magazine you look over and half of the rounds you fired are laying on the ground unfired. And the Army has sent it to the sandbox. New ball that does not work well with the new Sig but the new hollow point load works OK. Oh this is a great one for sure. I am not a fan of the Glock but it has to be better then this.

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