The German attack on Norway and sinking of the KMS Blucher

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  • m1ashooter
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 3220

    #16
    Again thank you for this post.
    To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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    • blackhawknj
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 3754

      #17
      Despite his claims to the contrary, Quisling-along with all other collaborators-was not let in on the Germans plans. Goebbels dismissed him as a "theoretician and dogmatist", Speer quotes Hitler as saying of Quisling-along with Mussert and Frits Clausen-that they were mere "copyists."

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      • kj47
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 699

        #18
        This great history, thanks for posting Jon.

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        • jon_norstog
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3896

          #19
          Originally posted by blackhawknj
          Despite his claims to the contrary, Quisling-along with all other collaborators-was not let in on the Germans plans. Goebbels dismissed him as a "theoretician and dogmatist", Speer quotes Hitler as saying of Quisling-along with Mussert and Frits Clausen-that they were mere "copyists."
          It looks like that to me, too. Quisling didn't have much say in how the Germans ran things in Norway, he was just there for window dressing. One more reason to shoot him, if you ask me. There were other collaborators who were more useful to the Germans, including management of the National Railway. Ship a trainload of Jews to a port of debarkation so they can go to Auschwitz? Can do!

          A lot of policemen refused to carry out instructions from the Occupation - hundreds of them were sent to camps in Germany and many of them were killed. The Germans put together a collaborator police force to replace them. Some of those people received justice after the war, some did not. I could go on, dammit ...


          jn

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          • blackhawknj
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 3754

            #20
            The Patriotic Traitors by David Littlejohn covers the collaborators in Western Europe and has a very good chapter on Quisling and Norway.

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            • Art
              Senior Member, Deceased
              • Dec 2009
              • 9256

              #21
              The Norwegians weren't really benign when it came to collaboration with the NAZIs. Any Norwegian who had served in the NAZI military, especially those who served in the SS (SS Divisions Nordland and Viking) were subject to criminal prosecution. After some serious debate, the Norwegian government in exile re instituted the death penalty for collaborators in 1941. Pursuant to that law 25 Norwegian collaborators were tried, sentenced to death and shot under what is called in Norway "The Lawful Purge" between 1945 and 1948. In addition about 20 NAZI officials operating in Norway were prosecuted for war crimes and executed.
              Last edited by Art; 08-23-2019, 04:26.

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              • bdm
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 613

                #22
                Thank You for posting great reading with pictures

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                • blackhawknj
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 3754

                  #23
                  Shortly after the German occupation the 1935 ban on political uniforms was rescinded, Quisling and his followers started appearing in uniforms often based on German originals, while it boosted their egos it marked them as turncoats in their countrymen's eyes. Quisling had long been dismissed as a member of the Lunatic Fringe, at his trial in 1945 he was subject to very intense psychological and physical examination, even those who opposed him felt he was clinically insane.
                  Last edited by blackhawknj; 08-23-2019, 04:23.

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                  • JohnPeeff
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 252

                    #24
                    The other side of the coin, a lot of Norwegians joined the Wehrmacht and there were a lot of children fathered by German soldiers. A complicated situation. A unit that fought to the last defending Berlin was the SS Wiking Div composed of Norwegians and Danes.

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                    • blackhawknj
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 3754

                      #25
                      The Waffen-SS Charlemagne Division also fought to the bitter end defending the Fuehrerbunker.
                      An excellent book covering WWII in Norway and Denmark is The Bitter Years by Richard Treptow.
                      General Eduard Dietl, commander of German forces in Norway, issued several messages reminding his troops that only German girls were suitable marriage partners for them.
                      From what I have read collaborationism was rarely more than 5% of the population in Western and Northern Europe.
                      Last edited by blackhawknj; 08-25-2019, 02:34.

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                      • barretcreek
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 6065

                        #26
                        A Norwegian unit attached to the U.N. 'peace keepers' in Yugoslavia was attacked by a group of whoevers. Serious mistake.

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                        • jon_norstog
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3896

                          #27
                          There was a kind of Brownshirt type organization called the Hird, had about 8,000 men and 1,500 women, who threw their weight around during the occupation. Most of the new police the Nazis organized were Hird, I think. They actively recruited Norwegians for the Wehrmacht, SS and Kriegsmarin as well and a fair number of men signed up. A lot of doctors and nurses went to work at German clinics and hospitals.

                          There was no way to punish everyone who deserved it, so they tried to get the worst. Corporate collaborators mostly got off scot free. But memory is longer than life in that country - my grandmother was really down on Germany and the Catholic Church, near as I can tell because of the counter-reformation and the 30-years' war.

                          jn

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                          • blackhawknj
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 3754

                            #28
                            I read an account by one Norwegian, joined the Waffen-SS, he said he came home on leave-and was ostracized. Then again, few of them came home. The Belgian Fascist leader and collaborator Leon Degrelle joined the Walloon Legion-a Wehrmacht unit-in August, 1941, of the original 800 only Degrelle and two others came back. The French General Leclerc encountered some prisoners from the Waffen-SS Charlemagne Division on May 8, 1945, he asked one of them why he was wearing a German uniform to which he arrogantly asked why Leclerc was wearing a US uniform. Not smart....
                            Quisling saw himself as the "Fuehrer" of Norway but the Germans gave him the title of "Minister President" which in German parlance is the head of a Land-state government, equivalent to a governor.
                            Last edited by blackhawknj; 08-28-2019, 08:46.

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