How good is the condition of the U.S. military after 3 years of Trump?

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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #1

    How good is the condition of the U.S. military after 3 years of Trump?

    The next time you have a bit of spare time, peruse the link below and you will find some surprising facts.

  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    Since it's only our shores we care about now, we're way overspending regardless of condition. Use the savings to reduce the budget deficit.

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    • lyman
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 11268

      #3
      we still have troops in many countries,

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      • Vern Humphrey
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 15875

        #4
        Obama did a lot of damage, and it's going to take a long time to repair it.

        Remember also, with all the money the government has squandered, and all of the wasteful, duplicative programs it has created, there isn't much money for rebuilding.

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        • Allen
          Moderator
          • Sep 2009
          • 10583

          #5
          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
          Obama did a lot of damage, and it's going to take a long time to repair it.

          Remember also, with all the money the government has squandered, and all of the wasteful, duplicative programs it has created, there isn't much money for rebuilding.
          \

          Remember Bill Clinton balanced the budget and reduced the deficit briefly. He still brags about it. What he doesn't brag about is that he starved our military doing it enabling countries like China to catch up. Giving and selling them our military secrets helped them as well. It will take decades (if ever) to recover.

          The Rosenberg's were executed for far less.

          Our military should always be fully funded but checks put on waste.

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          • Sunray
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3251

            #6
            I wonder how many of Heritage's "team" ever actually wore the uncomfortable green suit.
            The biggest issue with The Donald and the U.S. military is his wanting to take funds away from the military to build his silly wall.
            "...money the government has squandered..." Every government, everywhere does that. Our local unelected civil servants(outside workies who don't fix the roads) were just handed a 2% per annum pay increase. So were our already over paid cops(all of 'em will be getting over 100 grand plus benefits). The CF needs to buy a bunch of new executive aircraft due to navigational technology changes Stateside and in Europe. It never ends.
            Spelling and grammar count!

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            • blackhawknj
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 3754

              #7
              "You can have all the materiel you want, but without morale it is largely ineffective." George C. Marshall

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              • RED
                Very Senior Member - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11689

                #8
                Togor is a God. He read and absorbed and dismissed everything the military leaders said in the report that would take a mere human 9 hours just to read and did it in less than 40 minutes.
                Last edited by RED; 11-05-2019, 05:41.

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #9
                  Thank you for noticing.

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                  • lyman
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11268

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RED
                    Togor is a God. He read and absorbed and dismissed everything the military leaders said in the report that would take a mere human 9 hours just to read and did it in less than 40 minutes.

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                    • m1ashooter
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 3220

                      #11
                      Read the whole article. They missed a critical part of the equation and that is people to man the weapons systems. Its estimated that 75% of our youth can't enlist. They don't meet enlistment standards. Of the 25% who can only 1% will enlist. In order to grow the force you have to have the manpower to do so. One of the reasons the Navy decommissioned the BB after the Gulf was because it took too many people to man them.
                      To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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                      • dryheat
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10587

                        #12
                        QUOTE=lyman;567995]we still have troops in many countries,[/QUOTE]

                        Stupid countries. Countries that make North Korea look smart. C'mon, Asians can be smart but hey, they eren't all smart. The 737 Max crashes were flown by Indonesians and Ethiopians(insert Ethiopian joke). Donald says, screw em. That's what I say. Not that I know what Donald is thinking.
                        If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Originally posted by m1ashooter
                          Read the whole article. They missed a critical part of the equation and that is people to man the weapons systems. Its estimated that 75% of our youth can't enlist. They don't meet enlistment standards. Of the 25% who can only 1% will enlist. In order to grow the force you have to have the manpower to do so. One of the reasons the Navy decommissioned the BB after the Gulf was because it took too many people to man them.
                          Recessions have been known to improve recruitment. As for most not meeting standards...how so? It can't be physical fitness, which was the primary limit in 1940. The service is full of fatties. Maybe these days you have to be good enough playing Call of Duty to get in?

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                          • m1ashooter
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 3220

                            #14
                            Originally posted by togor
                            Recessions have been known to improve recruitment. As for most not meeting standards...how so? It can't be physical fitness, which was the primary limit in 1940. The service is full of fatties. Maybe these days you have to be good enough playing Call of Duty to get in?
                            It is estimated that 75% of our youth do not qualify for enlistment because they can't meet the standards. They either can't score high enough on the ASVAB, meet stringent medical standards, have addictions or criminal records. One can always change the standards but they have been this way for awhile. Examples my sons, friend wanted to join the USCG but has had kidney stones, that eliminated him, young men placed on behavior control meds as a child are eliminated. Drop out of HS can't enlist and the list goes on and on.

                            A bad job market helps but only so much. As to being fat when in, thats after the fact. Being over weight will not get you shipped to boot camp from MEPS. I saw a upset young man who was to ship to the Navy that day in a side room at the MEPS station in Houston. He failed his weight check and couldn't ship.
                            To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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                            • togor
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 17610

                              #15
                              Originally posted by m1ashooter
                              It is estimated that 75% of our youth do not qualify for enlistment because they can't meet the standards. They either can't score high enough on the ASVAB, meet stringent medical standards, have addictions or criminal records. One can always change the standards but they have been this way for awhile. Examples my sons, friend wanted to join the USCG but has had kidney stones, that eliminated him, young men placed on behavior control meds as a child are eliminated. Drop out of HS can't enlist and the list goes on and on.

                              A bad job market helps but only so much. As to being fat when in, thats after the fact. Being over weight will not get you shipped to boot camp from MEPS. I saw a upset young man who was to ship to the Navy that day in a side room at the MEPS station in Houston. He failed his weight check and couldn't ship.
                              A friend's son went to college for a semester and decided that it wasn't for him. He got in his head that he wanted to be a rescue swimmer for the USN, so he talked to some recruiters and they told him it was a high bar indeed for that program. They did however make pool time available for motivated wannabes and so this kid swam and swam and swam and he made it in. I coached him in some sports as a youth, and it's fair to say he was not a high-motor kid. But some guys, something kicks in and they find themselves. I say good for him.

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