A view from a Vancouver cop

[rayg]

[QUOTE=togor;585305]To be honest your attempts to defend these tire slashings just prove my point for me, about the Blue Wall and how it protects misconduct. You're gonna sprain something defending these guys that you don't even know,

And you don't still don't know the real reason....

[togor]

[QUOTE=rayg;585306]

To be honest your attempts to defend these tire slashings just prove my point for me, about the Blue Wall and how it protects misconduct. You're gonna sprain something defending these guys that you don't even know,

And you don't still don't know the real reason....

Well that's progress, we've gone from "not knowing who did it" to "not knowing why". But again this foot dragging bureaucratic reflex to give all benefit of the doubt to the police doesn't do anything to help their reputation. Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to just say "geeze seems like they should not have done that without a damn good reason"....?

[Tuna]

Togor, Unless you have been a police officer, you have NO IDEA what it's like. Therefore it's best not to talk about it. What was done is wrong even among police officers but they do understand what happened and why.

[m1ashooter]

I just read an interesting report from the Lawyer of one of the officers charged in the death of Floyd. The officer is a rookie, was on his fourth shift in the field and his training officer was the guy kneeling on Floyds neck? What kind of example is that?

[togor]

I just read an interesting report from the Lawyer of one of the officers charged in the death of Floyd. The officer is a rookie, was on his fourth shift in the field and his training officer was the guy kneeling on Floyds neck? What kind of example is that?

Yes heard that too, posted about it. Someone higher up in the chain of command doesn't look so good right now.

[togor]

Togor, Unless you have been a police officer, you have NO IDEA what it's like. Therefore it's best not to talk about it. What was done is wrong even among police officers but they do understand what happened and why.

No I have to disagree that only LEOs have the privilege of discussing law enforcement. There are countless jobs in this world where the experience is unique to those who do it, and there isn't this automatic claim of immunity from outside scrutiny with those other jobs. Politician, for example. Last time I checked police are government employees, and as such subject to public review.

Meanwhile out in the world, things have settled down, fortunately. But below is a link to T. Greg Doucette's twitter page. He describes himself as a defense attorney and #NEVERTRUMP Republican. He collected what he called a "Bouquet of F*ckery" of stuff collected over the past few weeks off of the internet. The one that gets me is the 12 year old boy in the line in riot gear. I cannot imagine any excuse for that. Lots of others are bad too, but the little kid in the line is a true "I thought I'd seen it all....then this" moment.

Warning: Not easy viewing for those who take an unabashedly pro-police attitude. Necessary viewing however for anyone who values freedom from state oppression, because behind their masks, all riot cops everywhere look alike.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847

[lyman]

I think you missed tuna's point,

[free1954]

what a great post sir. thanks for sharing it.

[rayg]

Togor, Unless you have been a police officer, you have NO IDEA what it's like. Therefore it's best not to talk about it. What was done is wrong even among police officers but they do understand what happened and why.

I can speak from experience and agree with tuna, that unless one has never been a police officer facing the police problems every day when they go to work to with some times highly stress full situations with
possible danger, they will never understand! And no one unless they have been there, can say they know or understand. Police work can not be compared to just any other normal civilian job.....

But having said that, that does not excuse any police officer being abusive to any citizen or doing some thing that is against the law they are sworn to uphold.....And if that occurs action should be taken against the officer.....

[Tuna]

Togor you missed it by a mile. But that's OK. Its just that you have never had to be there. Just be grateful you never have to like rayg or myself. As I said before it was wrong and not condoned by vast majority of police officers but they understand it and why.

[togor]

Togor you missed it by a mile. But that's OK. Its just that you have never had to be there. Just be grateful you never have to like rayg or myself. As I said before it was wrong and not condoned by vast majority of police officers but they understand it and why.

Tuna if you want to explain what I'm missing and why it matters to the bottom line of how the police are perceived by the communities they're paid to serve, well here I am.

Because there is a bottom line and the police don't have the authority to unilaterally decide where it is. If they did, then this would be a police state.

Speaking of police states, nobody likes the idea of living in one, but the phrase means different things to different people. To many here, 3 words would do it: Universal Firearms Registry. To other people, mostly not members here, it's what happened to George Floyd, or Philando Castile, or countless others, of all colors.

Seems to me people with a common concern about law enforcement overreach should stick together.

[rayg]

Togor..Your hate police rants are getting old now....We got it you hate the police. And nobody is saying you can't. But now, how about moving on to other one of your complaint subjects ..

[togor]

Togor..Your hate police rants are getting old now....We got it you hate the police. And nobody is saying you can't. But now, how about moving on to other one of your complaint subjects ..

Ray you are of course completely mis-representing my state of mind. Yes there is a bottom line, and the taxpayers get to have a say in it. Sorry if that bit of reality is hard to swallow.

[rayg]

Ray you are of course completely mis-representing my state of mind. Yes there is a bottom line, and the taxpayers get to have a say in it. Sorry if that bit of reality is hard to swallow.

I think you just like to ramble on when you got the mike.......Lol

[Tuna]

Togor, Have you ever had an HIV positive man spit in your face? Have you had any one suddenly produce a bat and try to play baseball with your head? How about stopping someone and at the drives side window had a straight razor slashed at you? Been shot at by an armed robbery suspect after he shot at the victim? Knives? Man I have taken a dozens of them off people over the years. And more then a couple of firearms also. Now can you tell me which suspects were White if any and which were Black if any? And now how many could I have justifiably shot and did or didn't?

Why do police have the highest divorce rate in the US? Why do they have the highest rate of dying within 5 years of retiring? And one of the highest rate of suicide in the country? 30 years of wearing a badge and caring a gun. That is what I did. And all of the above has happened to me and other officers I know and or worked with. Now one more thing. Police offices do not talk to people about what happens and how they feel about things. They keep it bottled up inside. They don't talk to the family about. No...they don't want to contaminate them. The same with friends or strangers they will not talk...except to someone they know who can understand. Another police officer. That is why I will say this just one more time. IF your not an officer of the law then you DON'T know what they go through. I have barely scratched the surface here but it should be enough for you to maybe understand.