Need feedback on new vehicles..

[jjrothWA]

I'm thinking between the Nissan Frontier or the Toyoda Tundra?

Who has either and how you like it?

[lyman]

new or used?

and a Frontier, mid or small truck
vs
Toyota Tundra, full size pickup,


friend had a Titan that crapped out (trans) and bought a new Frontier a year ago,
no issues, no drama,

I have a 2000 tundra, one of the best vehicles I have ever owned,
V8 auto axxess cab SR5,


biggest thing I hear about newer Tundras is that they will pass everything except a gas station

[Johnny P]

My son was never going to get rid of his Dodge Cummins diesel (2006). Bought a new Toyota Tacoma, and sold the Dodge two months later.

[Merc]

Read this:

https://www.carscoops.com/2016/05/ma...or%20his%20job.

Edit: The Tundra only offers a V8 that isn’t as fuel efficient as the V6 engines that the other trucks offer. If you aren’t towing or hauling heavy loads and are worried about gas mileage, then a V6 might make sense. Ford is coming out with a F150 Hybrid. Consumer Reports gives the Tundra 4 out of 5 stars for reliability. Ford and GM trucks don’t do as well.

I subscribed to CR when I was looking over the field of SUVs in 2018 and it was $39 well spent.

[BudT]

JJ, maybe the Tundra's are a good truck but the 2019 Tacoma is a POS. What ever you do don't buy one unless you want something to work on. I don't know anything about the Nissan's anymore but they used to be pretty good vehicles, I never had any problems with the 2 I have owned. HTH

[barretcreek]

2004 Frontier 4cyl stick 2wd. Love it compared to the 95 S-10 is replaced. Friend had a Toyota and said it rode like it was on the railroad. The ties, not the rails.

[lyman]

2004 Frontier 4cyl stick 2wd. Love it compared to the 95 S-10 is replaced. Friend had a Toyota and said it rode like it was on the railroad. The ties, not the rails.

the 82 Toyota hi Lux 4x4 SR5 I had for a few years road like a buck board,

never got stuck,

it's failing was the typical early 80's Toyota problem ,,, Rust,

it literally rotted in 1/2



BudT, what is wrong with your Taco?

friend has had a 2013 and now a 2015 with no issues whatsoever

[Merc]

The 2020 Tacoma is the best of the past several model years and earned high marks from CR for reliability and owner satisfaction. The 2019 didn’t do as well in either category.

[bdm]

I have had several Toyota Tundra 4Wheel drive Trucks over the years Darn good rugged truck i pull a trailer with a small backhoe on it and my boat and anything else i hook up to with no problem my friend and i had a pulling contest he has the new Ford pickup we hooked up rear hitch to hitch i pulled him backwards it was funny i have the 5.7 V8 purchased a new one when i retired .love the Tundra

[M1Tommy]

I have been looking at , i.e. engineer-nerding-out researching, the smaller pickup trucks the past several months. If the old RAV4 ever dies (currently at 239k miles), I plan to but a low mileage used truck. I want 4WD, automatic transmission (bummer IMO but several family don't drive manuals), ability to carry 4 adults in slightly better than sardine comfort. What I have ciphered about the Nissan Frontiers is:
The Frontier is pretty much unchanged 2005-2019 model years. The Frontier years of '05-'11 or so have radiators had/have a problem that failed frequently and allowed mixing of coolant and transmission fluids . Google "Nissan SMOD" (Strawberry Milkshake Of Death). I think that a radiator change is not a huge job.
In 2020 Nissan changed the drivetrain completely, to a smaller V6 and 9-speed automatic (previous was a 5 speed auto trans, bullet proof but not the best MPG (21-17-ish hwy/city, 4WD). The newer motor makes a smidgen more Hp, but is higher revving. That, and the 9-speed gives a couple more mpg. In 2021 or '22, Nissan is selling the Frontier with all new body. IMO, it looks like a clone of everyone else's. It also is packed with "tech", push button starting, all the collision avoidance, adaptive cruise control, back-up collision avoidance sensors common nowadays. The pricing is also considerably higher.

The new Ford Rangers seem good, are expensive, and are still too new for now.

I have read of too many transmission issues with Chevrolets to consider them.

The Toyota Tacomas seem OK. They are very expensive, IMO think their brand name is worth the premium costs. I sat in a few, '19 and '20 models, and honestly didn't care for hos "car-ish" they felt, low seating, high dash and window lines. Wifey is barely 5'-0" and that has to be checked before seriously considering one.

IMHO, Nissan just removed themselves from their long-held niche of a reliable, no-frills pickup. At present, I'm thinking to find a low mileage '18 or '19 Nissan Frontier "Pro-4X" trim. They have a locking rear differential and a few other things I like.
HTH a bit,
Tommy

[BudT]

the 82 Toyota hi Lux 4x4 SR5 I had for a few years road like a buck board,

never got stuck,

it's failing was the typical early 80's Toyota problem ,,, Rust,

it literally rotted in 1/2



BudT, what is wrong with your Taco?

friend has had a 2013 and now a 2015 with no issues whatsoever

Chapter 1
New 2019 4X4 off road access cab yoda truck. I owned a 09 before and it was a good truck and I regret selling it to my grandson. Right out of the gate with the new truck bumpy breaking, returned to the dealer and they diagnosed "out of spec axels" so they put on new rear drums. WTF, I must not know chit about breaks now but the new thinking is axels=drums? I gotta go back to training on these things, and it didn't fix it, whoda thunk it, back a second time and now there's nothing wrong according to them.
Chapter 2
Shortly the brake thing I went hunting in Montana, bad weather and all the truck decides to die in a "REAL BAD PLACE" to make it more exciting yoda decided to build in some more fun for this situation, message says on dash display low engine oil press failure to re-start, then to make it even better a new message of low transmission oil pressure and another failure to re-start. After a period of time the truck did re-start and I managed to get out of there.
Chapter 3
While driving the 50 or so miles back to the highway to drive back to town we get 5 more failure messages from the lighting system to brakes. You have no idea how mad I was at that time over this 40,000.00 dollar piece of "JUNK". Wanna buy it? I cut the hunt short and we went home and back to the dealer....again. Yep you guessed it they say it's just fine, someone have me committed to the rubber room if I start talking about wanting another yoda. A Tundra just might be a better truck but I really don't think I'll risk 60,000. dollars to find out. Whats wrong with my Taco? it's a rotten POS Junk that I can never trust again.
Chapter 4
Since all of this stuff yoda has sent out a recall and yes this first one is for one of the exact problems that I had and no they aren't fixing it yet, they will let me know. Funny how they said it didn't have "that" problem and gee whiz now there's a recall for it. I don't want to see jj or most anyone else to buy a problem.
BudT

[lyman]

go past the dealer and go to corporate,


rattle the chain above the dealer level

[dryheat]

That's good advice. The dealers are just local good ol boys.

[M1Tommy]

................
....Funny how they said it didn't have "that" problem and gee whiz now there's a recall for it. I don't want to see jj or most anyone else to buy a problem.
BudT

Thanks for that post. I will grill the Toyoyo folks and look harder before seriously considering a Tacoma.
Somewhat similar about sales-bozos at Toyota... I emailed 2 local dealerships about pricing and timing to replace the windshield on my old RAV4. Emails were sent specifically to the service departments both times. I did not really expect good pricing but... never know... so I tried. My phone rang for the next week with ... Toyota salesman guys, wanting me to "trade in and upgrade......" I never heard a peep from service department of either dealership.

My oil filter is in a placement nigh on unreachable for folks without 3 elbows on each arm unless you have a lift or pit, so I take it to the dealer for oil changes. I know, not the cheapest but that's ALL they do. Last week I was there, and some "service manager" asked if I had "anything else for them to do..." I related that story from just a week prior. He literally turned on his heel and walked away.... I just shrugged.

Best luck w/ your '19. I'd sure second the advice to be rattling regional and corporate folks about that experience.
Tommy

[Former Cav]

does your state have a lemon law?

My wife got a new BMW X5 after I got tired of bringing it in.
I called it Christine (after the haunted plymouth)