Of Bear Attacks and Police Shootings

[lyman]

If you don't like my rambles them don't read, or go catch that plane if you're in too big a hurry to spend time here.

It's the cracker barrel, and it's August. There's no need for speed, and the pace of any conversation sets itself.

Now you and Vern are correct that there are already non-lethal devices on the LEO's belt. However, when he says "drop the knife", does not get compliance, and shoots the person, then fat lot of good that taser or spray was, right?

Which got me thinking of bears in a chance meeting on a trail. If human ingenuity can devise a means of dealing with that, then surely there's no need for cops to kill people who are off their nut, holding a knife to their own throat (as in the Austin, TX incident, for which the LEO has been subsequently charged).

Good question on the taser. Maybe the chances of a good strike fall off with range.

get of your high horse,


when you climb down, go pull up some youtube videos on knife fights or knife versus gun,


you may be surprised at how fast a person can move and stab, vs drawing a firearm, or taser, or spray,



humans aint bears,,,

[jon_norstog]

Gettin back to bear encounters, the University of Montana did a study showing that bear spray was about twice as effective stopping a bear attack, compared to shooting. It was based on a survey of actual bear attacks. Sorry, no control group. I put that up on this site years ago, back when I had the full citation on the study.

jn

[Vern Humphrey]

Gettin back to bear encounters, the University of Montana did a study showing that bear spray was about twice as effective stopping a bear attack, compared to shooting. It was based on a survey of actual bear attacks. Sorry, no control group. I put that up on this site years ago, back when I had the full citation on the study.

jn

Of course, that depends on how you define "bear attack." If a bear is merely threatening you, it's easier to deal with than stopping a full blown charge. People probably tend to use bear spray before the bear charges -- and often against bears who have no intention of charging.

[barretcreek]

Of course, that depends on how you define "bear attack." If a bear is merely threatening you, it's easier to deal with than stopping a full blown charge. People probably tend to use bear spray before the bear charges -- and often against bears who have no intention of charging.

Exactly.

[lyman]

we just have black bears here, and generally speaking , unless you are messing with a cub,, the bears vacate when humans are seen,

I have a very good friend that owns some land not far from the real Walton's Mountain,
a good mutual friend hunts that farm,,

he had a pic, from a game cam near his tree stand, of 3 cubs playing and staring at the camera

he started carrying a handgun (357) when hunting ,, just in case momma took offense

[barretcreek]

[QUOTE=lyman;620853]we just have black bears here, and generally speaking , unless you are messing with a cub,, the bears vacate when humans are seen,

Asked a friend who guides in Alaska which scare him more? Black bear. About thirty years ago Bear behaviorists started noticing a change, blacks started acting in a manner suggesting humans are beneath them on the food chain.

[lyman]

[QUOTE=barretcreek;620867]

we just have black bears here, and generally speaking , unless you are messing with a cub,, the bears vacate when humans are seen,

Asked a friend who guides in Alaska which scare him more? Black bear. About thirty years ago Bear behaviorists started noticing a change, blacks started acting in a manner suggesting humans are beneath them on the food chain.

interesting,


we don't have that issue here,