Covid vaccines

[togor]

wow Hal, you got an answer,


that rarely happens,

What IS the point of the snide remarks anyways?

This advances civil discussion how exactly?

[lyman]

just another day of you actually answering a question,

a milestone here at Jouster,


of course, none of it qualifies you for diddly in this discussion, but that's ok, it's a start

[Roadkingtrax]

Here you go.

I'm an engineer. Not a biomedical one but I have worked in the medical industry, still earning paychecks doing it. I know a few things about sensitivity analysis, statistics, probability, separating facts supported by data from opinion and wishful thinking. The thing about engineering is the physical laws that decide whether a component fails because it got too hot, too cold, was too soft, the wrong shape, etc., those laws don't care about anybody's feelings. If an engineer wants to build stuff that works, he has to respect those laws. The complete opposite of politics.

So ideas like adding a little bit of resistance to virus transmission with ordinary masks, to get the R0 from above 1.0 to below 1.0 make sense to me. The mask doesn't have to stop every case to be worthwhile. But if enough masks are used by enough people, it can knock down the rate of spread in the population to the point where the caseload stays down, or doesn't go up as fast--the so-called flattening of the curve. Why do they do that? To avoid ICU overrun with the most severe cases and the fatality spikes we have seen in a few spots. If it wasn't for that, then probably no mask orders, vaccine mandates.

I have no doubt you think your work experience and training stack up higher than that. That's fine by me, I don't care. But, your training in infectious diseases was put together by outfits like the CDC, was it not? The same CDC that says that masks help slow down the spread of the virus, and that mRNA vaccines are not rewriting your DNA? So if eye rolls are in order, I'll roll mine at the idea that according to you I can't cite the CDC or Mayo clinic or other sources when they explain these treatments.

You believe what you want. But beliefs put out as stone cold facts, those might get challenged.

You and Hal share something in common, and that levels the opinion field a bit.

Unless he's a nurse practitioner, neither of you can legally prescribe medications.

[togor]

You and Hal share something in common, and that levels the opinion field a bit.

Unless he's a nurse practitioner, neither of you can legally prescribe medications.

Never wanted to be a doctor.

Hal wanted to know something about my background, how it plays into how I think about COVID, so I told him.

He's well within his rights to conclude I'm full of it, LOL.

[Roadkingtrax]

Never wanted to be a doctor.

Hal wanted to know something about my background, how it plays into how I think about COVID, so I told him.

He's well within his rights to conclude I'm full of it, LOL.

He may, and that's what I mean. Nurses are graded in part by quality of care surveys, and not opinions of vaccine efficacy. You've already pointed out...we ALL rely on external recommendations and the CDC.

[Hal O'Peridol]

You and Hal share something in common, and that levels the opinion field a bit.

Unless he's a nurse practitioner, neither of you can legally prescribe medications.

No, not a ARNP. Don't want to be and never claimed to be. But I was my hospital's Infectious Disease Coordinator.

I have years of experience treating patients, setting up policies and procedures to prevent the spread of diseases, coordinating with MDs and ARNPs and training other Nurses in how to protect themselves, their patients and others from the spread of contagious infections.

I'll leave it at that. Togor, continue to spread misinformation. It's fine. That's what you are good at.

[togor]

Hal,

Was it not the CDC who prepared your infectious disease training materials?

Now you call citing CDC references as spreading misinformation?

You see the problem there, right?

[Major Tom]

Hal,

Was it not the CDC who prepared your infectious disease training materials?

Now you call citing CDC references as spreading misinformation?

You see the problem there, right?

The CDC DOES spread misinformation! Plus it seems they are in the home rental business by wanting to keep welfare humanoids from paying rent! They flucuate (sp) more on covid requierments than stupid Fauchi!

[Faulkner]

Take the jab, don't take the jab . . . wear a mask, don't wear a mask, doesn't matter to me. But no sense anyone pretending there are those not manipulating the COVID scare for their own social and political agenda. The media sure spends a lot of time frightening folks, and it's amazing what scared people will give up to ease their fear.

[one shot]

https://youtu.be/O1DgWYdukZU

[jon_norstog]

Six pages of aaah, discussion! Wish we could get that on the Krag, Trapdoor or black powder pages. I got my shots soon as I could get them, and got the booster a couple weeks ago. I feel bulletproof, and I live in a low-infection area (Multnomah Co. OR). My dau and her family live in a hot spot. She had the virus but it wasn't too bad 'cause she and her husband had their shots. The girls got a little sick when their mom had it, one of them recovered and they didn't bother w/ a test. The other got something but tested negative for Covid. Bonner County ID where they live, the 14-day rates for infection are 5X higher than here and the death rate is over 10X. The church where my son-in-law is minister just lost another member. Cold weather coming and people will be gathering indoors more .....

They have a good County shooting range their and you don't have to be a "member" I had hoped to get up there before hunting season and bust a few caps. M<y wife says it is too dangerous to go now & much as I may disagree I gotta respect that. I've been edging the Krag hunting loads up past most manual's max, a few tenths of a grain at a time. I wanted to try a box of somewhat hotter loads - still haven't got primer flattening as severe as factory loads. The virus kinda put a kink in that plan.

I'll be back in Idaho for the December muzzle loader hunt. Maybe sooner if the death rate in Boner Co. drops a bit.

All I'm gonna say is "get the shot and live."

jn

[Art]

+1, Jon, +1.

[kj47]

AGREE, Jon. What does this have to do with Gun Talk?

[one shot]

I agree this is the cracker barrel thread , what's your favorite meal at the cracker barrel mine is the chicken and dumplins with a bowl of turnip greens and the hash brown casserole . And for dessert the double chocolate fudge coca cola cake with vanilla ice cream and make it a double .

[Allen]

This has come up before.

Probably needs to be a miscellaneous forum but there isn't.