They are going monitor my milage

[dryheat]

And that's fine with me. I signed up with my insurance co. to have a device installed in both vehicles. If I keep my milage low(which I do) I may save up to $800 a year on auto insurance. Pay by the mile. It's kind of a new thing. I know, I know, they are watching me. I don't care.

[togor]

GPS too or just odometer? Speed too? Gotta do 34 in a 35 zone now?

It's not for me but YMMV.

[PWC]

Who's the insurance co?

[bruce]

It is very much one thing for a consumer doing business with a company to allow that company access to his private personal information. It is quite another thing entirely for any governmental body regardless of its reasoning to be permitted to disregard the COTUS and gather the private and personal information of citizens without their direct informed consent so that that governmental body may proceed to use that information to levy a tax based on the movement of that person. The same exact Federal agencies and departments that have so routinely been used to access such information for political purposes cannot be in any way trusted not to also disregard the COTUS and make this and any other information they can gather available to political parties, interests for use as a weapon in the ongoing political/culture war. Sincerely. bruce.

[Allen]

Who's the insurance co?

"Scotty Reiss Progressive, like many other insurance companies including State Farm and USAA, offer a tracking device that plugs into your car?s OBD II (onboard diagnostics II) port or offers a phone app that tracks your driving."

I assume this is voluntary at this point. I use State Farm and have the "under 7500 miles annual rate". No tracking device. They don't check. Me and my wife are both retired so they know we're not going to rack up a lot of miles regardless.

On a side note I remember years ago an auto rental agency had tracking devices on their vehicles to monitor speed. A man returned his rental car to find out he was being charged an extra $200 (I think) for exceeding 80mph twice. He knew nothing about the device--was not told about it beforehand, and got the charges dropped.

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It is very much one thing for a consumer doing business with a company to allow that company access to his private personal information. It is quite another thing entirely for any governmental body regardless of its reasoning to be permitted to disregard the COTUS and gather the private and personal information of citizens without their direct informed consent so that that governmental body may proceed to use that information to levy a tax based on the movement of that person. The same exact Federal agencies and departments that have so routinely been used to access such information for political purposes cannot be in any way trusted not to also disregard the COTUS and make this and any other information they can gather available to political parties, interests for use as a weapon in the ongoing political/culture war. Sincerely. bruce.

One thing the obama administration taught us is the laws mean absolutely nothing to the dimocrats and most all lib judges look away.

[dryheat]

I'm with Allstate. She told me they used to kind of use an honor system but you know how that goes. This plugs into the OBD and of course tracks engine performance too. And my "limit" is six thousand but if I go over it's .06 cents a mile. In the last eight yrs(since I bought the awful Ford Edge) I've driven 40K. About five thousand a year.

[togor]

How do they read it? Does their widget have a cellular uplink? Do they come out with a Bluetooth reader? Are you supposed to use an app on your phone to fetch the telemetry for them?

[dryheat]

I don't do anything. They send me a read out and if I go over they deduct the extra from my pre-paid fund. I get emails. I get the thing in a few days and will find out more.

[togor]

I don't do anything. They send me a read out and if I go over they deduct the extra from my pre-paid fund. I get emails. I get the thing in a few days and will find out more.

So their widget plugs into the OBDII connector and talks on its own to the Mother Ship. Yikes!!

I hope you get every penny of that $800 they're waving in front of you. Know that their widget probably has GPS in it too. Basically Big Brother, Inc., is riding along.

And don't even get me started about the cameras that some think should be there too. As it is, every new car already has the hardware to record and uplink all audio. It's just a matter of software and networking.

[Fred]

Progressive Insurance is Owned by George Soros.
I’m assuming you knew this.

[dryheat]

Someone check on Togor, I think he's gone to the other side. You guys are scaring me.

[PWC]

He's already over there.....

[dryheat]

Maybe I didn't phrase this right: Lyin' sonaofabitchn democrats coerced me into signing up for a plan akin to walking into the gas chamber...

[togor]

Someone check on Togor, I think he's gone to the other side. You guys are scaring me.

The point is, the cost of surveillance is plummeting faster than just about any other activity. It all goes into some damn cloud, and there is very little practical difference between a corporate or government cloud, that can't be bridged by 3 little words:

a court order.

On my mobile I am not opposed to using GPS as a navigation aid when need genuinely arises, but no way would I just leave it on 100% of the time.

[lyman]

So their widget plugs into the OBDII connector and talks on its own to the Mother Ship. Yikes!!

I hope you get every penny of that $800 they're waving in front of you. Know that their widget probably has GPS in it too. Basically Big Brother, Inc., is riding along.

And don't even get me started about the cameras that some think should be there too. As it is, every new car already has the hardware to record and uplink all audio. It's just a matter of software and networking.

those fancy gadgets like lane assist etc, all are camera based,
you have one or 2 in the top of your windshield , (replace the windshield, and it has to be recalibrated)

surely that video can also be uploaded if needed,


big brother was already in your car when you bought it,