Bringing a knife to a knife fight.

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  • Nate
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 375

    #1

    Bringing a knife to a knife fight.

    Having just buying the first serious knife in my life, I checked out the videos from the local knife fighting school. Very disturbing. Not sword fighting but a cage match with sharp things. I have seen forensic photos of knife wounds and now I know how they happened. This not the stuff of the movies, and I have discovered that it is easy to find yourself, holding with both hands, keeping your intestines from hitting the floor. I have never understood knives and now I have much respect. Rather a sniper rife at 600 yards for me.
  • barretcreek
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 6065

    #2
    Local prosecutor is very into martial arts both as a discipline and for defense. I think he went down to Gunsite for a knife session. If you are really interested in learning I'll get some info from him.

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    • PhillipM
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 5937

      #3
      I know it's Hollywood, but I always think about this scene when I think of a knife fight.

      Phillip McGregor (OFC)
      "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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      • bruce
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3759

        #4
        Re: Knife fight. Sometimes... it's not so bad. Idiot pulled a knife on me one afternoon in the street out in front of the house. No he was not a trained Hollywood skilled knife fighter. Good for me. I was not a highly trained hood qualified hand to hand fighter. Good for him. End result... I didn't need stitches and he didn't end up in the emergency room. Later down the road, we ended up learning how to get along with one another.

        Real knife fight doesn't last long. Had a friend that got jumped one night as were were walking down Canal in New Orleans to MacDonalds. The guy with the knife stuck him one time in the stomach. Didn't kill him. He ran. My friend... glad ambulance got there quickly. Doing in home family therapy and crisis intervention... had a client pull a butcher knife out from under the cushion of the couch and try to go to work with it on the lady from DFACS. That little room got tight quick. We punched through the screen door and out into the front yard. Got his knife away and the dude ran to his car and got another one! What a mess! Ended up w/ a 2x4 stub... little more reach than his knife. Kept telling the DFACS lady to call 911. She kept saying no. Finally the man's girl friend got the police to the house. Went home that day with just a few bad scrapes... but no cuts! Last experience w/ a knife being swung in earnest was in the summer of 1995. I was leading a Bible study for teenaged boys. Some of them were a bit rough. One got mad and stood up acting all big and bad. I stood up and then he pulled a knife out of his boot. He was hot about a lot of things and apparently figured he'd lower his frustration level by whittling me down a notch or two. Whole business lasted less than maybe 20 seconds. He didn't get his arm broke, but it did get stretched real hard. Told him to go home and not come back until he could leave the knife at the house. Told the deacons that night what had happened as they'd heard I'd been in a fight. They thought it was funny. Didn't like it when they found out about the knife. They hadn't heard that part. Kept that little bible study going for several more years. Never had another problem on that level. Since then... 21 years and no one has pulled a knife. Only six years from retirement. Who knows... maybe kids are leaving their knives at home. Don't know. Do know... if someone starts in with a knife... distance is your friend. Move. Pick up whatever you can get your hands on that will give you a chance to back them off. Keep moving. Don't run b/c they'll be behind you. Keep talking to them. Let 'em know that you don't want to mess them up but that if they come on in, they're going to the hospital no matter what they do to you. So far... has worked for me. Hopefully will not again have to fool around with such people. Sincerely. bruce.
        " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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        • IditarodJoe
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 1529

          #5
          Originally posted by PhillipM
          I know it's Hollywood, but I always think about this scene when I think of a knife fight.[/video]
          A really fun movie. Too bad the morons on hollywood can't dig up that level of creativity more often than once every few decades.
          "They've took the fun out of running the race. You never see a campfire anywhere. There's never any time for visiting." - Joe Redington Sr., 1997

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          • free1954
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 1165

            #6
            Originally posted by IditarodJoe
            A really fun movie. Too bad the morons on hollywood can't dig up that level of creativity more often than once every few decades.


            have you ever seen the version with the deleted scenes and the alternate ending?

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            • PhillipM
              Very Senior Member - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 5937

              #7
              For those that have never been there, strolling down Canal street in New Orleans looks innocuous, it's the border of the French Quarter where the tourist play. It has a streetcar rail down the middle and looks all charming. There is no way in hell I'd walk down that street alone and unarmed late at night, the thugs target drunk tourist coming off Bourbon Street.
              I be Art can back that up.

              I use a passport wallet with a lanyard there. I keep a few bucks in my pocket and a bit more in the walet tied to my belt that is down my thigh with an expired drivers license for ID.

              Knife vs gun by two pros.

              Last edited by PhillipM; 06-05-2016, 05:43.
              Phillip McGregor (OFC)
              "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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              • PhillipM
                Very Senior Member - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 5937

                #8
                Originally posted by free1954
                have you ever seen the version with the deleted scenes and the alternate ending?
                No! Is it online?
                Phillip McGregor (OFC)
                "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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                • free1954
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1165

                  #9
                  Originally posted by PhillipM
                  No! Is it online?




                  not that I could find. it came on the disk.

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                  • IditarodJoe
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 1529

                    #10
                    Thanks for the heads up, free1954. I just looked at our DVD . . . the alternative scenes and original (longer) ending are on the BACK of the disk. We've watched that movie a half dozen times and never realized they were there! The alternative scenes are interesting and worth watching if you like the movie, but all in all I think the producers made right decisions across the board.
                    Last edited by IditarodJoe; 06-05-2016, 02:04.
                    "They've took the fun out of running the race. You never see a campfire anywhere. There's never any time for visiting." - Joe Redington Sr., 1997

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                    • Clark Howard
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 2105

                      #11
                      Instructor said, "In a real knife fight, everyone gets cut." If the other guy knows you have a knife, you played it wrong. Regards, Clark

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                      • dryheat
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10587

                        #12
                        Coming overhead with a knife it too dumb to believe. The alternative, holding someone hostage with a knife belly level is iffy. Someone with quick reflexes has your wrist before you can poke.
                        If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                        • Nate
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 375

                          #13
                          Having looked into videos of knife fighting techniques, I am putting my knife away. There is no way I can execute the skill to survive. It has been said that it is not a knife fight, it is a contest to determine who dies last.

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                          • Major Tom
                            Very Senior Member - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6181

                            #14
                            Brought back memories: 1976, New Orleans, Canal Street, about midnight waiting for a bus to get back to my hotel. I was worried then, but, had no trouble. My hotel was just across the street from the PD parish precinct. There was a bar close by where off duty cops would go. Had to ring to get in. Cops told me I was very lucky that night.
                            Ah, New Orleans where you can walk around all day or night carrying/drinking booze in a plastic cup, but, they don't recognize out of State CCW permits!

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                            • AZshooter
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 261

                              #15
                              I've been successful in avoiding deadly conflicts to date. I carry a knife, but it's something to open the mail, trim coupons and overall utility tool. In a survival situation, my goal is to prevent anyone, with a knife or not, from getting anywhere closer than about 15' of me. This means avoiding late night walks in dimly lit alleys, or rough neighborhoods. 9mm summer carry and .45ACP winter carry suit me better than pretending I could hurt some motivated and experienced street thug with a knife.

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