Krag SRS hit ....so need help on history

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  • madsenshooter
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 1476

    #16
    Originally posted by jon_norstog
    Found a little on this unit. They were involved in the "pacification" of Samar after the attack on C Company of the 9th Infantry in Balangiga earlier in the year. The Army was out for blood:

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    In the April 18, 1902 issue of the New York World, Richard Thomas O'Brien, formerly a corporal in Company M, 26th U.S. Volunteer Infantry Regiment, based in Miag-ao, Iloilo Province, Panay Island, described how his birthday went on Dec. 27, 1901 at Barrio Lanog: [LEFT, Miag-ao Church, late 1890's]

    "It was on the 27th day of December, the anniversary of my birth, and I shall never forget the scenes I witnessed on that day. As we approached the town the word passed along the line that there would be no prisoners taken. It meant that we were to shoot every living thing in sight—man, woman, and child. The first shot was fired by the then first sergeant of our company. His target was a mere boy, who was coming down the mountain path into the town astride of a caribou. The boy was not struck by the bullet, but that was not the sergeant's fault. The little Filipino boy slid from the back of his caribou and fled in terror up the mountain side. Half a dozen shots were fired after him. The shooting now had attracted the villagers, who came out of their homes in alarm, wondering what it all meant. They offered no offense, did not display a weapon, made no hostile movement whatsoever, but they were ruthlessly shot down in cold blood—men, women, and children. The poor natives huddled together or fled in terror. Many were pursued and killed on the spot.

    "Two old men, bearing between them a white flag and clasping hands like two brothers, approached the lines. Their hair was white. They fairly tottered, they were so feeble under the weight of years. To my horror and that of the other men in the command, the order was given to fire, and the two old men were shot down in their tracks. We entered the village. A man who had been on a sick-bed appeared at the doorway of his home. He received a bullet in the abdomen and fell dead in the doorway. Dum-dum bullets were used in that massacre, but we were not told the name of the bullets. We didn't have to be told. We knew what they were.

    "In another part of the village a mother with a babe at her breast and two young children at her side pleaded for mercy. She feared to leave her home, which had just been fired—accidentally, I believe. She faced the flames with her children, and not a hand was raised to save her or the little ones. They perished miserably. It was sure death if she left the house—it was sure death if she remained. She feared the American soldiers, however, worse than the devouring flames."

    Company M was commanded by Capt. Fred McDonald."

    jn
    That's some hard reading Jon. Almost makes me look upon my 92/96 rifles with disgust! Perhaps not, but now I'll be wondering...same as any of my other milsurps I guess.
    "I have sworn upon the Altar of God, eternity hostility upon all forms of tyranny over the minds of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    • jon_norstog
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3896

      #17
      Originally posted by madsenshooter
      That's some hard reading Jon. Almost makes me look upon my 92/96 rifles with disgust! Perhaps not, but now I'll be wondering...same as any of my other milsurps I guess.
      I can see how it could get to you. These are weapons of war and like Sherman said, war is hell. And some men are devils who are right at home in that hell. You can't blame the gun, you gotta blame the man.

      jn

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      • madsenshooter
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 1476

        #18
        I've been on facebook too much Jon, was looking for a like button! Not the gun I agree, those behind it. I must be getting soft in my old age.
        Last edited by madsenshooter; 04-21-2017, 12:22.
        "I have sworn upon the Altar of God, eternity hostility upon all forms of tyranny over the minds of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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        • Fred
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 4977

          #19
          Originally posted by Discus420
          SRS hit 171840 98 R 07 15 99 26TH USV INF (ISSUED)

          So I got this rifle and would love to find out more on the History I have been googling the Shot out of it and don't find much on 26th USV Infantry

          Anybody have any suggestions??


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          P.S. later found out the serial is 171849 but with luck still has the same SRS info 171849 98 R 07 15 99 26TH USV INF (ISSUED)
          I believe that the Model 1898 rifles issued to the 26th U.S.Vollunteer Infantry in July of 1899 all had 1896 rear sights and hand guards and 1896 front sights.
          Many must've been updated after turn in. 172986 was still intact and original.

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          • Discus420
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2016
            • 122

            #20
            Originally posted by Fred
            I believe that the Model 1898 rifles issued to the 26th U.S.Vollunteer Infantry in July of 1899 all had 1896 rear sights and hand guards and 1896 front sights.
            Many must've been updated after turn in. 172986 was still intact and original.

            I once owned rifles 171117 and 172986. Both were shipped within the same rifle crate as per the records that I received from Springfield Research. Frank Mallory sent me a photocopy of the unit's weekly journal or report while they were serving overseas. He also sent me the typed list of every rifle by serial number and another set of photocopies of the original hand written list of rifle chests by number as well as the serial number of every rifle within each rifle crate.

            Hi Fred

            Any luck with the documents showing which crate it was in?? If we can get a few more documents my son is going to use all this information for a thesis paper on Gun History. He is going to school to become a history teacher...

            Thnaks Fred you have been so helpful we really appreciate all of it!!
            Last edited by Discus420; 04-24-2017, 01:40.

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            • Fred
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 4977

              #21
              Still looking for the box in the garage. I saw it 8 years ago in the house but I'm sure it's in the garage somewhere along the wall under other stuff. There's a box of 5,000 rounds of .22 long rifle ammo too that's in there somewhere, but I can't find it. I paid $87.00 for it long time back when it was cheap. Sure wish I could find it too.
              I'll find the SRS material on the 26th yet.

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              • Fred
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 4977

                #22
                You should go onto eBay now and do searches for Krag barrel, Krag front band, Krag stock and Krag 1896 Hand guard (there's not an 1896 at this time). The stock is a correct type for your rifle but of course it has a cartouche with a later date than yours would have. However, since you won't be trying to pass your rifle off as having all original parts, that stock would be just fine to complete the rifle for historical accuracy.

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                • Ed Byrns
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 161

                  #23
                  Rifle number 171849 was in chest #7120 of that shipment.
                  Still looking for 171840,just couldn't spot it.
                  Respectfully
                  Ed Byrns

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                  • Dan Shapiro
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 5864

                    #24
                    Fred sounds like me. I "put stuff" where I can find it.

                    Then I can't.

                    "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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                    • Dick Hosmer
                      Very Senior Member - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 5993

                      #25
                      Ever say to yourself - "you know, you really shouldn't put that there" (but then you do anyway)?

                      For me the worst part of getting old is putting something down - in an admittedly cluttered garage, or desk, and then - literally 5 seconds later not having a CLUE as to where you laid it.

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                      • Ned Butts
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 175

                        #26
                        That is me too!!!! I know I put it down.........but where

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                        • Fred
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 4977

                          #27
                          That's Why I don't like to tuck away things in drawers or boxes because I WILL forget where they are. I tend to leave my stuff and tools on top of my work benches and computer desk. Now and then I will get a paper grocery sack and sweep the stuff off into the bag to keep it under control. Then as I need something, I'll start going through the bags and dumping them out to look for it. some of it gets into the bag but the neat stuff I've located again stays out so I can mess around with it or just in case I'll be needing it again soon.. or so I think.

                          By the way, I've looked for the material on the Krags and I cannot find any of it out in the Garage. Sorry.

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                          • Discus420
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2016
                            • 122

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Dick Hosmer
                            Ever say to yourself - "you know, you really shouldn't put that there" (but then you do anyway)?

                            For me the worst part of getting old is putting something down - in an admittedly cluttered garage, or desk, and then - literally 5 seconds later not having a CLUE as to where you laid it.
                            and then I find it in my left hand....... oh yea that's where I put it for safe keeping

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                            • sdkrag
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 426

                              #29
                              But think of the excitement when you find it again. Sometimes I even have forgotten I had the item. My sons want me to start labeling everything. They know I have "good" stuff, but what is it?

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                              • JimF
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 1179

                                #30
                                Originally posted by sdkrag
                                . . . . . . They know I have "good" stuff, but what is it?
                                Yup . . . I can relate . . . . .

                                I have made quite a few tools over the years, that I've used in the repair of my firearms . . . that are UNRECOGNIZEABLE as such!

                                Anyone but me looking at them, would never think they were tools!

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