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  • JacobCR
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 12

    #1

    Another 1898 Carbine

    Some more forum fodder--In addition to the 1899 I recently got that came in an 03 stock, I also got this carbine (S/N 119569):

    http://www.gunauction.com/buy/121703...al-bolt-action



    It looked like a decent 1899 carbine stock (with aftermarket sling swivels, but it’s not too badly butchered), with what looked like a correct length carbine barrel and front band with, at least, a correct front sight base. Even though it’s dovetailed for the Marbles rear sight, I think a proper rear sight and handguard would cover it. Since I’m not much of a hard-core collector (more of an accumulator), I think it would make a good representative piece.

    After looking it over, now I’m wondering if it may be one of the fabled 5000 real 1898 carbines. Aside from the rear sight, the barrel is the correct 22”, and the index marks on the barrel/receiver match with the “P” stamp on the barrel. I think the barrel was probably removed at some point to add the dovetail, but I don’t see any gorilla marks (vise or pipe-wrench). After looking more closely at the front sight, even though it was filed down to work better with the rear sight (I’m assuming), it does appear to have a small “C” stamped on the side.






    There are also a bunch of seemingly random letter stamps at the front underside of the receiver and on the loading gate (inspection/refurb?):



    The stock appears to be an 1899 replacement, with no evidence of sanding, and no inspection marks or proof “P” behind the trigger guard.

    I know that it could never be proven for sure (unless it hit in the SRS or other documents are found) so I’m looking at it as an "1898 Carbine*", with the asterisk denoting that it’s within the serial number range of known carbines with a couple of carbine features, and no positive ID as one of the 5000. It’ll probably be a fun shooter, though.
    Last edited by JacobCR; 07-14-2013, 09:49.
  • Mark Daiute
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 654

    #2
    I own 119418. It too is in an 1899 replacement stock with no cartouches. There is what looks like the remains of the letter C or G just behind the trigger guard.

    I'd like to see an overall photo of yours to see if it has a similar finish. The stock on mine is very dark. The bore on mine was completely toast when I got it so I had the barrel re-lined.
    "A man with a tractor and a chain saw has no excuses, nor does he need any"
    Me. "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" Emerson "Consistency is the darling of those that stack wood or cast bullets" Me.

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    • jon_norstog
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3896

      #3
      ??? All those random stamps! The lunchbox is case hardened and those stamps would almost have to have been done prior to that operation.

      jn

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      • Mark Daiute
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 654

        #4




        "A man with a tractor and a chain saw has no excuses, nor does he need any"
        Me. "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" Emerson "Consistency is the darling of those that stack wood or cast bullets" Me.

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        • psteinmayer
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2011
          • 1527

          #5
          Ok... now I know I'm off my rocker... In picture 3 (LH side of front sight), there appears to be marks that make it look like a teddy bears face, LOL Am I losing it???
          "I was home... What happened? What the Hell Happened?" - MM1 Jacob Holman, USS San Pablo

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          • madsenshooter
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 1476

            #6
            I agree Jon, those stamps were struck while the iron was hot.
            "I have sworn upon the Altar of God, eternity hostility upon all forms of tyranny over the minds of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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            • 5MadFarmers
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 2815

              #7
              Originally posted by psteinmayer
              Ok... now I know I'm off my rocker... In picture 3 (LH side of front sight), there appears to be marks that make it look like a teddy bears face, LOL Am I losing it???
              Yes, you have lost it. It's clearly a Koala Bear.

              Last edited by 5MadFarmers; 07-16-2013, 09:56.

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              • Mark Daiute
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 654

                #8
                I was very excited to have 5M5 finally weigh in on this thread. As usual his insight is most enlightening. Now I see the teddy bear. couldn't see it before.
                "A man with a tractor and a chain saw has no excuses, nor does he need any"
                Me. "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" Emerson "Consistency is the darling of those that stack wood or cast bullets" Me.

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                • Rick the Librarian
                  Super Moderator
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6700

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mark Daiute
                  I was very excited to have 5M5 finally weigh in on this thread. As usual his insight is most enlightening. Now I see the teddy bear. couldn't see it before.
                  No kidding - certainly made MY day!!
                  "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                  --C.S. Lewis

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                  • Dan Shapiro
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 5864

                    #10
                    Looks like the 'Mickey Mouse' logo. Was Disney tinkering with guns?
                    "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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                    • 5MadFarmers
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 2815

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dan Shapiro
                      Looks like the 'Mickey Mouse' logo. Was Disney tinkering with guns?
                      Walter Disney? Not a prayer.
                      Especially not one with a Koala Bear.
                      If Walt, with guns, did tinker.
                      His brother would have been the thinker.
                      Making them partners in a shooting gallery at the county fair.

                      After a hard day making guns at the Armory one suspects the workers spent some time at the locally brewery imbibing German style beer. The brewery was owned by a family of German immigrants. Sadly the prohibition ended that particular business so it's just as well the founder's grandson didn't enter the family business. Instead he wrote books and drew pictures. Some about Thing 1 and Thing 2 and some about a cat with a bent towards haberdashery.

                      The Geisel Brewery. Theodore Geisel. Dr. Suess.

                      I've become Paul Harvey it would seem.
                      Last edited by 5MadFarmers; 07-16-2013, 04:15.

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                      • psteinmayer
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 1527

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 5MadFarmers
                        Yes, you have lost it. It's clearly a Koala Bear.
                        Originally posted by 5MadFarmers
                        Walter Disney? Not a prayer.
                        Especially not one with a Koala Bear.
                        If Walt, with guns, did tinker.
                        His brother would have been the thinker.
                        Making them partners in a shooting gallery at the county fair.

                        After a hard day making guns at the Armory one suspects the workers spent some time at the locally brewery imbibing German style beer. The brewery was owned by a family of German immigrants. Sadly the prohibition ended that particular business so it's just as well the founder's grandson didn't enter the family business. Instead he wrote books and drew pictures. Some about Thing 1 and Thing 2 and some about a cat with a bent towards haberdashery.

                        The Geisel Brewery. Theodore Geisel. Dr. Suess.

                        I've become Paul Harvey it would seem.

                        LOL You kill me 5MF...... I'm dying here, LOL!!!!!
                        Last edited by psteinmayer; 07-16-2013, 07:21.
                        "I was home... What happened? What the Hell Happened?" - MM1 Jacob Holman, USS San Pablo

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