Krags in AEF

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  • CJCulpeper
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 449

    #1

    Krags in AEF

    Not certain if you guys have seen this.

    From "HISTORY OF THE TWELFTH ENGINEERS, U. S. ARMY"

    From page 7

    Some of the supplies and equipment were slow in arriving
    and on account of their scarcity no duplicate pieces were
    issued except socks and underclothes. These were strenuous
    times for Capt. Skelly and his Supply Department. The arms
    and equipment issued were the old type, used in the Spanish-
    American war, including the Krag-Jorgensen rifle. The motor
    transport consisted of three Dodge touring cars, eleven Pierce-
    Arrow two-ton trucks with express type bodies and ten Indian
    motorcycles with side cars.

    From page 115

    The Springfield rifles, which had been issued when the old
    Krag-Jorgensens were taken up after the Battle of Cambrai,
    were now exchanged for the standard British Lee-Enfield rifle
    in order to obviate any difficulty in ammunition supply should
    the regiment be ordered into the British front Hne. A special
    officer's and N. C. O's Bayonet school was started at Headquarters
    under the direction of a Company Sergeant Major,
    "Bayonets," Fourth Army B. E. F., who was temporarily
    attached to the regiment for the purpose of instruction in
    bayonet training. The mornings were devoted to the N. C. O's,
    while the officers received instruction in the afternoon. Practice
    in wave attacks, and offensive and defensive bayonet work
    was given.

    There is a fairly good photo on page 19, too.

    The metadata below describe the original scanning. Follow the All Files: HTTP link in the View the book box to the left to find XML files that contain more...



    Culpeper
    Last edited by CJCulpeper; 08-28-2013, 03:31.
    1."If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." - Rene Descartes
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  • Rick the Librarian
    Super Moderator
    • Aug 2009
    • 6700

    #2
    Equipping U.S. units stationed with or training with the British was pretty much S.O.P. The 27th and 30th divisions were both with the British for the last few months of 1918 and both carried British weapons. Several other units were temporarily with the BEF and were issued British equipment, which was turned in when they were transferred. I read of one unit, made up of a large proportion of Irishmen, who were NOT amused at being issued British uniforms with the royal crest on the buttons. The buttons (IIRC) were hastily replaced!
    "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
    --C.S. Lewis

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    • John Sukey
      Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
      • Aug 2009
      • 12224

      #3
      There is a pic of the first troops to land in France. sent to arrange the camps for the main body. Their equipment. weapons, and uniforms were right out of the Spanish
      American war.
      And lets not forget the Black troops who served with the French and were issued French equipment.
      Last edited by John Sukey; 08-28-2013, 11:17.

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      • 5MadFarmers
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 2815

        #4
        Thanks CJ, that cleans that up.

        I'll be including the issue of Krags to the cantonments in the book. That's already done. Bottom of the barrel scraping they were.

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        • Dan Shapiro
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 5864

          #5
          Thank you Professor Wilson!
          "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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          • kragluver
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 233

            #6
            I have seen reference to Krags deployed overseas with the AEF in several places - most recently in Bruce Canfield's latest book. However, I've never seen the original source documentation about Krag's in theater. Of course, there are the various period photos showing Krags and other SAW material that was discussed above. Thanks for the reference!

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            • CJCulpeper
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 449

              #7
              You're welcome, fella's. I am always keeping an eye out for anything Krag and Spanish American War up to the present day. The problems we suffer from today with the Congress and especially this executive branch had its start in the twenty-five year period from 1895 to 1920. Frankly, Roosevelt should have been shot and not William McKinley though Mckinley had a few political faults too. TR was one of the first to push for universal health care. He called his self a Progressive. Read socialist. It is very telling that Bill Clinton based his political life on Roosevelt.

              Culpeper
              1."If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." - Rene Descartes
              2. "The Right to Buy Weapons is the Right to be Free" From The Weapon Shop by A. E. van Vogt

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              • Story
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 27

                #8
                As good a thread as any for this - stumbled upon this pic while looking for something else, figured you enthusiasts would want to see it.



                Recruits train in Lansdowne, Pennsylvania. dated 1917, from the (Philadelphia) Evening Bulletin.
                via Temple Library

                and yes, it is copyrighted
                This material is subject to copyright law and is made available for private study, scholarship, and research purposes only. For access to the original or a high resolution reproduction, and for permission to publish, please contact Temple University Libraries, Special Collections Research Center, scrc@temple.edu, 215-204-8257.


                Now, those of you familiar with the area might think to themselves 'what? training in Lansdowne? Shenanigans!" (like I just did).

                They're probably part of the Philadelphia Military Training Corps-

                (Anthony J) Biddle was among a group of influential individuals who foresaw America’s eventual involvement in World War I. In October 1915, with the consent of
                Barnett, Biddle created a training camp at Lansdowne, Pennsylvania, conducted by Marine noncommissioned officers from Marine Barracks Philadelphia,
                Pennsylvania. After the close of the camp, Marines from the Philadelphia barracks led periodic drills throughout the winter. Those trained in the camp became known as the “Drexel Biddle Citizens’ Army,” and by April 1916, more than 3,000 men had completed training. At that point, U.S. Representative Thomas S. Butler of Pennsylvania introduced a bill, which was approved, to provide $31,000 for the Marine Corps to train citizen soldiers.5
                Pledging his support for the preparedness campaign, Barnett ordered Captain Logan Feland from Marine Barracks Philadelphia to command training during the summer of 1916 at Lansdowne.
                See p.29-30,
                https://www.usmcu.edu/Portals/218/HD...-24-133417-690

                Given their attire, I'd suggest this photo was taken in the summer of 1916. No clue where they sourced the Krag rifles, unless there were some in storage at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.

                Here's the USMC version of their service history with the Krag. https://usmcweaponry.com/m1898-krag-jorgensen/

                This Philadelphia Military Training Corps, of which Company B was a part, was originally incorporated in 1916 under the laws of Pennsylvania. Sponsored by Major Anthony J. Drexel Biddle, it had its headquarters on the old Biddle estate in Lansdowne. Upon the outbreak of the war in Europe, Major Biddle delegated Captain Edward W. Macey to organize the Main Line for military drill.
                The company was also always well represented at the weekend reviews of the C.M.T.C. at Major Biddle’s Lansdowne estate. It had grown to the point where 103 rifles were constantly employed, these rifles being furnished by the Philadelphia Military Training Corps.


                W. Stokes Kirk would have been a likely source for someone with deep pockets in 1916.
                Last edited by Story; 11-30-2020, 12:21.

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