So there was this gun.

[jon_norstog]

Before Christmas at the latest. Started on the 19th of July so it's going to be quick and dirty.

Of all the people I can think of I suspect you'll enjoy it the most.

That's a compliment.

Well, thanks, 5. Sign me up for one.

jn

[madsenshooter]

So, Bob, HOW LONG IS IT???????

Might be awhile before I catch that episode again Dick. Banner played two characters in it, one a defecting Nazi financier, the other Schultz.

[5MadFarmers]

Once you start making things up, where do you stop?

I dunno.



While it's electronic maybe?

*my 1st Model Hotchkiss carbine has a trapdoor carbine sight (I'd greatly appreciate someone finding an HC sight for me!)

Keep the trapdoor sight with the gun. You stop before you screw it on. You think that through first.

Dick, don't worry about it. Really. You don't have context.

[Dick Hosmer]

Might be awhile before I catch that episode again Dick. Banner played two characters in it, one a defecting Nazi financier, the other Schultz.

Oh THAT Schultz! I thought it might have been. No way you are going to get a serial. I'm still looking for #3 - hell, I'd buy ten if I could shag 'em as cheap as the first two.

Had an interesting experience on eBay last week. Guy was selling a 1901R sight. As, I often do, I questioned whether the seller "had one like it, but graduated to 2100 yds". Usually, the answer is "no". THIS time the guy said - "the one for sale is so marked but the pictures got mixed up - email me". Finally turned out that he DID have one, BUT!!!!! The base was wrong, and the leaf had been heavily ground and re-stamped with some pretty non-SA-looking numbers. The interesting part is that he claims to have bought it from Bill Mook many years ago. Gotta be a story there, somewhere!

[madsenshooter]

I always take a look for you, if the pics are good enough to see. Wasn't looking for a serial, just noted the barrel wasn't full length. I'm 6' tall with long legs and the end of a 24" barrel comes to about belt level with the butt on the ground. I noted that's about where it came to on Banner.

[rayg]

WoW! Never saw one of those side fed, instead of cylinder feed, cap and ball pistols before. That is a real rare bird, Ray

[Dick Hosmer]

Must be the even-rarer long-range variant as the barrel is slightly elevated from the central axis! But, who cares?

[psteinmayer]

Here I was thinking "when did they start making a .44 caliber Krag pistol?" and "where can I get one?"

[5MadFarmers]

Must be the even-rarer long-range variant as the barrel is slightly elevated from the central axis! But, who cares?

That you posted makes the answer self evident.

Colt-Krag. Perhaps I'll bake up a Krupp-Krag also.

[Dick Hosmer]

I do many things, one of which is post. And - I THINK you may have missed the point.

[5MadFarmers]

No, I didn't miss it. I didn't miss it as I was making it.

Some people collect antique cars. To that crowd every car is valued on originality. Others create hot rods. To that crowd original doesn't matter as it's simply material to mold. When a collector of original cars encounters a hot rod their "judgement" won't be positive. What they fail to come to grips with is that it's simply opinion. Others do not agree. This doesn't mean they're wrong as it's not a question of right and wrong. It's opinion and style.

Guns are no different. You have an opinion on what's permitted and what's not. That's your opinion. I tossed that back via the Hotchkiss. Works both ways but I fully understand that and was making that point. The number of original M-1896 cadets is zero. Nada. They don't exist. Thus anything I bake up has zero possibility of being real. On guns that don't exist, but you wish to illustrate, you have to bake them. By definition. Baking up an 1898 likely isn't useful as they exist. Thus somebody can get burned. Baking up a cadet or Colt-Krag is a different horse entirely. They exists in electron format only.

That is the point. If given the choice of baking up a gun which doesn't exist or "restoring" one to a level where it'll be taken as real - I go with the former.

Everything baked in the book is listed as baked. I even show how it was baked. Do I need to do that here? No. This is a web site.

I posted the picture of that "Cadet" to see how well it was baked. The reactions told me the answer. It could have been an interesting thread. Instead it was hijacked.

[Dan Shapiro]

Wasn't that "pistol" the one used by Gen George Washington to execute Benedict Arnold at the Battle of Fallen Timbers?

[Festus39]

I picked up a Krag recently that seemed close to yours but then I remembered it is shorter than normal. I bought it for a shooter. Barrel measures 23 and three-fourths inches from the bolt face. All the metal and bands are there including the front sight which appears to be nicely soldered on and the rear is adjustable to 1800 yards. It is stamped 1895 Springfield Armory and the ser. no. is 25985. The bore,stock, and overall condition is really what I first noticed. As I originally said I bought it to shoot.

[5MadFarmers]

I picked up a Krag recently that seemed close to yours but then I remembered it is shorter than normal. I bought it for a shooter. Barrel measures 23 and three-fourths inches from the bolt face. All the metal and bands are there including the front sight which appears to be nicely soldered on and the rear is adjustable to 1800 yards. It is stamped 1895 Springfield Armory and the ser. no. is 25985. The bore,stock, and overall condition is really what I first noticed. As I originally said I bought it to shoot.

That, no matter how it's sliced, is a very interesting gun. Fascinating even. I'd pay money to see that gun in late 1896. It's guns like that which make me pound my head on the table.

Any chance you can post pictures?

There is no way, at this late date, to be certain what it is. It's in early M-1896 carbine range. Not all the guns in that neighborhood were completed as carbines. Thus they're interesting. If the barrel is a carbine barrel, and from your information it seems a might long but we might simply not be in accord on how to measure, it's a mucked up carbine. An earlier one. I happen to have the parts it's missing but that's another story. If the barrel is a sliced back rifle barrel then we're in another arena. That's the arena which makes me pound my head.

There is no way to tell.

You're either sitting on a mucked up carbine or an interesting rifle. Either way it's interesting.

[Festus39]

Well, whatever this thing is I'm going to load up some 180 soft points for it. I don't hunt but I do kill hogs.
I'm unable to do pictures so I'll try to figure something out on this Krag. The guy I bought it from collected seriously old lever guns;said he had owned the Krag for years but it didn't really fit his collecting.