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  • Papa G
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 14

    #1

    What can this be?



    Looks like a Krag, but what is that attached to the receiver? Thanks to all.
  • psteinmayer
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 1527

    #2
    That is a device that connects to a scoring machine for practicing without live ammo. I'm not sure of the name, but there are other pictures out there of the entire device.
    "I was home... What happened? What the Hell Happened?" - MM1 Jacob Holman, USS San Pablo

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    • Kragrifle
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1161

      #3
      Sub-Target Practice Machine. Brophy's book has the best description of the device. I have read somewhere that the city of New York bought 50 of these. Boy, have things "changed"!

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      • CJCulpeper
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 449

        #4
        What the?! You mean it is not a rare Springfield prototype full auto selector switch? Dang.
        1."If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." - Rene Descartes
        2. "The Right to Buy Weapons is the Right to be Free" From The Weapon Shop by A. E. van Vogt

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        • madsenshooter
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 1476

          #5
          No, but I once ran across a pic of a Krag converted to a machinegun. Some folks down south found it under a bridge IRC.
          "I have sworn upon the Altar of God, eternity hostility upon all forms of tyranny over the minds of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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          • butlersrangers
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 533

            #6
            The Krag with the linkage was adapted for use on a Sub-target Rifle Machine. This was a large apparatus in vogue from around 1904 to 1920.
            A rifle with alterations was held in the movable arms of this device. A "shooter", with full range of movement, would aim the cocked, but unloaded rifle, at a fixed distant target. He would dry fire when he had a good sight picture. The act of 'firing' moved a cable (U. S.) or completed a dry battery circuit (Britain), which powered a needle that pierced a miniature target, held in a frame on the machine. This allowed marksmanship training and competition without ammo or range facilities.
            This was the invention of Mr. Henry Havelock Cummings of Boston, Mass., where it was manufactured. It was also built in Britain by the Wilkinson Sword Company.
            Users of the Sub-target Rifle Machine included: U. S. Military and Naval Academies, Royal Navy, British, Canadian and Indian Army, U. S., British and Canadian military schools, and the N.Y.C. Public School Athletic League.
            Brophy shows a similar linkage on a 1903 Springfield in his 1903 Springfield Book.
            Last edited by butlersrangers; 10-14-2014, 04:07.

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            • butlersrangers
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 533

              #7
              pictures related to Sub-target Rifle Machine

              Photos showing sub-target/score card and various machine features:
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