A warning for those who hunt deer with their Krags

[madsenshooter]

Hee hee, it's a Krag forum, had to keep things in context.

[jon_norstog]

Hey Madsen,

If I take an animal it's almost certainly going to be with a US Krag. Thanks for the heads-up. Is this a big problem in Ohio? I have friends there and was thinking about going back east to hunt what I hear are huge numbers of whitetails.

jn

[madsenshooter]

I've noticed a couple others that likely have it Jon. Those are fellows I know have done some skinning. Hard to tell how many others have gotten it via bug bites. It isn't easy to detect. Surveys aren't being done on the potential problem, as far as I know. There are large numbers of deer here Jon, and some trophy racks in the coal area with odd minerals in the water. Coyotes are just getting established, so we're not losing a lot of young deer yet, but more than I like to see. I got ravaged by mosquitoes a couple times while I was up in IN, so if wasn't there before, it probably is now! I wanted to blame the Yeminis since this sort of thing is endemic there, but I guess we have our own. I have no doubt Jon, people have unknowingly died from this stuff! Ohio is a muzzleloader/shotgun state, they've just open up to some straight walled rifle cartridges.

[madsenshooter]

I've been doing more research. These vermin could very well be what is mainly behind Chronic Wasting Disease. Someone will quickly say "No that's caused by a prion, like mad cow disease." Some researchers think a spiroplasma may be behind formation of the prion. These vermin come along with a mycoplasma-like bacteria known as wolbachia which could also be behind the formation of the prions. Remember, one of the o. cervidipedis species identified in the paper has spent some time in cattle. Even fire doesn't destroy the prions!

I saw a mad cow case, long before the British outbreak. In the 70s I worked on a dairy farm in GA, we had one cow that had a bulging eye on her right side. Somehow she produced a holstein calf that had red spots rather than black. She was very protective of that calf. They were kept separated from the rest of the herd and she'd come after you if you came into their field.

[madsenshooter]

Well, it seems I am not so alone in this affliction, and that I have been right, despite what the AMA-type Drs said. (Stupid Pakistani, what's he know about US game animals and what they might carry!) Leading edge research into both Lyme disease and helminthic infection: https://durayresearch.wordpress.com/

[barretcreek]

You say dessication is the only way to kill the little buggers? No filtering, UV, 400 kva sterilization? Seems to be any filter which will keep out viral agents would do the trick.

[madsenshooter]

Except, how do you get rid of the little vermin that are small enough to internally infect an individual cell? Some sorta heat might get to the adults in the lymphatic ducts of my hands. I've tried water as hot as I can stand, but they still live. I'm starting an online tropical parasitology course tmrw. I'll see what the professionals think, a couple of the instructors are from Africa, where river blindness is dealt with more.

[barretcreek]

Sounds like a job for a targeted chemo agent which binds to the intended life form, and then ultra sound or some other form of energy causes the chemo to heat up destroying the life form. Passed this on to a limnologist friend.

We'll check with the Society of Wetland Scientists. They are mostly focused on ecosystems rather than organisms, but this should get the attention of folks who play in the mud. Just as a young lady and I realized we spent the evening rolling around in a patch of poison ivy. Fortunately she was a country girl from Valdosta and knew to get some Octagon Soap.

[madsenshooter]

Interestingly, I believe the adults that are now in my hands, at one time went into my ears! The pressure was tremendous, my balance and cognition were effected, I couldn't speak or hardly write and wound up in the neurotrauma center. MRI of my head, I do believe ran them out of my ears, helminths don't like having their polarity swapped! When I came to three days later, they were in my hands. Since then the swelling they induce in the lymphatic ducts has gone down in my arms above them. I did not bother telling this hospital staff that they'd moved, they'd already given me something that knocked me out for three days, all I wanted to do was get the hell out of there!

[madsenshooter]

Pathologists are not only finding spirochetes in the central nervous system but various species of helminths in the brains and spinal fluid of patients with alzheimer's, MS, ALS, parkinsons. Not in all cases, but the majority tested. Here's a link to good lyme article, doesn't mention helminths, but microfilaria of some of the smaller species, like those that come from rodents, aren't a whole lot larger than spirochetes.

https://newsblog.drexel.edu/2016/02/10/do-infections-cause-alzheimers-disease/

[jon_norstog]

Madsen. this is some deep s**t. I wonder why I haven't gotten any of it - or maybe I have it and just don't know? Keep us posted, OK? And GET WELL!

jn

[madsenshooter]

They are, like the spirochetes of Lyme, very stealthy. There's no big immune response to let you know you have them. I noticed some slight swelling around the cuts after I got them. The worse cut was the one I got on my ankle, I had straddled the deer that was down in a ditch, grabbed the one antler it had left, and felt resistance or motion. So I hastily cut it's throat, and my ankle in the same motion with the old hawkbill knife. Deer also have worms that infect their jugular! The biggest thing I remember noticing was a thickening of the skin around my ankle, like the thin skin between achilles tendon and ankle. Although I noticed it, and recall noticing it, I didn't think much of it at the time. I packed these around a lot of years without knowing it Jon. The lack of immune response seems to be due to my blood type, and the effect that SV40 has on it. I have type B blood, less that 3% of Americans. That number will go up as more from the middle east arrive, as the blood type is more prevalent there. Well, it's time for me to head off to parasitology class! Early worm gets the bird!

[coastie]

Unintended consequences of our actions.
A cousin's son succumbed to mosquito borne virus
and complicated with lyme disease.
20 plus years of assisted living from age 20.
A fellow in Houston had open heart surgery in the 1980's
and contacted hepatitis. He died a few years later of what
seemed like AIDS. Stomach cancer was the listed cause of death.
Poor source of blood supplies then.
rumor had source of donated blood as prison systems.
Want to say...1986....
coastie

[madsenshooter]

At least I know someone is reading the post. I'm still not getting any cooperation from the NIH, perhaps that's a part of the swamp that needs drained too! It appears they're all working towards getting patents on species specific tests for species that are not here, rather than worrying about what is here! Not only are they using govt money for their research to fatten their retirements, all that is needed to find out if one is infected is to test a person's tyramine levels. Tyramine is their excitory neurotransmitter. Even a person on a high tyramine diet will eliminate most of their tyramine, high levels of it is a pretty good indicator of filarial infection, so the NIH is just wasting their time, and our money! I recently took a parasitology course, they're still teaching that it's a tropical disease, but I have found research showing the onchocerca are as far north as the 66th parallel! I think I have them down to one pair, a good sized female in my left hand, a smaller male in the right. I have a Dr. that is willing to remove the big one in the left, but I've not hit them with all the herbals available to me yet, and I want to find THE RIGHT ONE. For the time being, they are sterile and separate and I have the microfilaria under control. Coastie, I think it was around 86 that they were giving prisoners in TX experimental mycoplasma infections. I have sold plasma that was used to make tetanus vaccines, not knowing that I had Lyme, and it appears they don't check. https://parasitesandvectors.biomedce...756-3305-5-242

[dave]

I don't worry about it, I never hunt deer with a Krag!