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  • RCS
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 2180

    #1

    WW2 cartouches

    Some photos of original WW2 Winchester and Springfield cartouches, except one is fake !

    Can you spot the fake cartouche ?
  • TDP0311
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 240

    #2
    Two?

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    • mack
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 1344

      #3
      WRA/WB

      Don't ever buy stocks with cartouches. All cartouches may be fake.

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      • Rick B
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 717

        #4
        Never say no to buying marked wood. Learn what you are looking for and buy from reputable folks. Rick B.
        Last edited by Rick B; 07-29-2014, 05:05.

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        • RCS
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 2180

          #5
          Good post and photo Rick Maybe the stock doc will add some knowledge

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          • RCS
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 2180

            #6
            Mack, The Winchester W.R.A. W.B. cartouche is original and came from the same place that the stocks in Rick's photo came from in Wisconsin

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            • 2111
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 863

              #7
              # 3 GHS ??

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              • StockDoc
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2014
                • 1189

                #8
                Yeah, I will add something about the firewood, since you asked. According to Rick's those stocks were contaminated by Chicken Fecal matter and urine, that is why the others left them there. They are contaminated never tried to sell the stocks.

                As for the marking, I never make a comment on a Cartouche without having the stock in front of me, do to all the fakes. Even Rick in his article, says you can make a judgment from a photograph. The cartouche can be a real genie, but the stock could be repaired and the seller trying to pass it off as an unrepaired. To many variables then just a cartouche to make a stock genuine. Me or my clients will touch repaired stocks, to many genuine ones out they.

                Besides, I don't have my Duff's Cartouche book I made up, I am In D C for a client.

                Thanks for asking
                Last edited by StockDoc; 07-25-2014, 08:56. Reason: spelling and grammar
                liberum aeternum

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                • RCS
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2180

                  #9
                  You have to change your name to Stock Mouth instead of Stock Doc. Since I have been involved with a lot of the barn wood since the 80's and there is estimates that run from 5K to 10k to the number of stocks that were stored there, not all were "hit" by the chickens more like 5% if even that many. I bought over 100 no-trap stocks alone in 1987 and none of these were "contaminated" plus all the carbine stocks were in excellent condition.

                  It is easy for you to bend the barnwood story around to fit your needs and cover your ignorance

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                  • StockDoc
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 1189

                    #10
                    Good for you, glad you are happy with you purchase. I can only go by what was published, and that they were abandoned.
                    liberum aeternum

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                    • rkohut
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1115

                      #11
                      The middle one, #3, is a fairly good fake.

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                      • StockDoc
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1189

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mack
                        WRA/WB

                        Don't ever buy stocks with cartouches. All cartouches may be fake.
                        that picture is distorted, the W lean toward the front with the B leaning to the butt (just like the Warner Brothers logo)and the box is not square in the pic, probably a cell phone, or maybe my screen on my laptop.

                        But, my vote goes to #2. Only because the coloration of the stock, has the appearance of the Korean stocks
                        Last edited by StockDoc; 07-26-2014, 08:06.
                        liberum aeternum

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                        • RCS
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 2180

                          #13
                          stock quiz answers

                          Joe and rkohut were correct, fake SA GHS stamp by Terry Smith (UT) from the 1989-90 period,he also stamped a few WRA WB no trap stocks that were sold from the Chicago area.
                          Very difficult to detect the fake WB stamps but the answer is in the crossed cannon stamp.

                          Photo shows another angle of the WRA RS stamp, these stocks run over 3K without any problem now. The WRA WB is the rare production trap door stock as most WB stocks were no-trap and conversions (also from the barnwood). Number 5 is a Nov 1941 GHS from a Lend Lease rifle

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                          • Rick B
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 717

                            #14
                            Thanks for sharing RCS. Rick B

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                            • dryheat
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 10587

                              #15
                              What's so scary about chicken poop?
                              If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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