Garand hit piece

[PhillipM]

Idiot.

http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/the-garand--almost-as-good-as-a-real-rifle

[psteinmayer]

Who the Heck is this Jag-Off anyway? It's obvious he doesn't like anything except AR styled weapons! What an A$$!

[Jay Johnson]

I frequent a lot of MilSurp gun blogs and chat sites, that blog post is over 3-years old and this is the first I've seen it, kinda tells you how popular, and/or relevant to MilSurp, Williamson's blog site really is...

He sounds like a Mall Ninja Tactifool with the 'Your gun sucks, my AR, AK, FAL is da' bomb' bull crap...And anyone who spews the notion the the Mondragon was/is superior to the Garand is a clown IMHO...

[Griff Murphey]

The fact is that an American squad with the M-1 could hold off an enemy company armed with bolt action rifles. It was a huge force multiplier.

Oddly it stayed in service as long as the 1970's (I drew one from the base Armory at Subic Bay in 1975) which is longer than any of the amazing box magazine fed ten-shooters did. (Lljungman, Hakim, Toke 40, FN-49...) with any western first world nations.

The 8 round enbloc is a handy size and once you get the feel of the M-1 it is quite user friendly and you have 8 with fewer movements and FORCE than are required to place a 5 round stripper clip, PUSH the rounds down (frequently they are hard to get going) pull the used stripper out, and get the bolt to go forward.

With the Garand that took two movements and you had three more rounds.

The doofus plonker whose experience is limited to female and juvenile-friendly .22's is understandably upset when he enciunters something that does not work like his Mattel special. Poor baby.

[joem]

Way too long but he is entitled to his opinion which I disagree with.

[Sunray]

Makes a lot of fuss over not loading properly. Seems to forget the M1 is/was a first generation semi-auto battle rifle, not the first. And that the M16 was not chosen or wanted by the U.S. military. Mind you, his raving is 3 years old.

[PhillipM]

I wonder if he ever figured out he can't get garand thumb loading a full clip.

[jebbh]

Anybody who takes so much glee in insulting people who disagree with him is suspect from the beginning. Rather than have a discussion he wants to throw bombs and get attention. He's wrong in many of his opinions. The Enfield more advanced because it had a detachable magazine? It was never loaded that way. As to the short life of the M14 platform, curiously I routinely see news photos from the worlds hot spots wherein our guys, or some of them, have M14 derivatives. Put two WWII infantry adversaries 200 yds apart and let them choose weapons. think it's the 98k or the Moisin?
jebb

[StockDoc]

The fact is that an American squad with the M-1 could hold off an enemy company armed with bolt action rifles. It was a huge force multiplier.

Oddly it stayed in service as long as the 1970's (I drew one from the base Armory at Subic Bay in 1975) which is longer than any of the amazing box magazine fed ten-shooters did. (Lljungman, Hakim, Toke 40, FN-49...) with any western first world nations.

The 8 round enbloc is a handy size and once you get the feel of the M-1 it is quite user friendly and you have 8 with fewer movements and FORCE than are required to place a 5 round stripper clip, PUSH the rounds down (frequently they are hard to get going) pull the used stripper out, and get the bolt to go forward.

With the Garand that took two movements and you had three more rounds.

The doofus plonker whose experience is limited to female and juvenile-friendly .22's is understandably upset when he enciunters something that does not work like his Mattel special. Poor baby.

I feel that because the Garand does not have the magazine extending below the rifle, it is better for prone shooting, reduces the soldiers silhouette and offers better concealment. One thing that I don't like about the M-14

[Rock]

I wonder if he ever figured out he can't get garand thumb loading a full clip.

Probably not.

"If a gun might smash your fingers to paste on the off chance you might happen to want to put ammo in it, it is defective. Don't tell me you can avoid it with the proper dance card and samba lessons—I'm in the middle of a firefight. It's not a "Design feature." It's not a "Beta improvement." It is a CRITICAL Fv@&iNG DEFECT"

That statement, by itself, pretty much illustrates his almost total lack of knowledge.

[TMB]

I think he smashed his thumb and is placing the blame because he's too smart for it to be his fault.

[Rock]

I think he smashed his thumb and is placing the blame because he's too smart for it to be his fault.

You are right, a quote from his piece....

"The Garands also jammed on loading. Regularly. I remember one time the clip refused to seat, then did. So there I am, traumatized, blood seeping into my white parade glove, next to a deceased veteran, trying very hard to stay in formation, not wince, not cry, not curse, and not fall out of timing for three volleys. I managed."

The only way he could do that would be while loading a partial clip. The top round was pushed too far down and the bolt was able to over ride it and chamber his thumb.

[BHillman]

As my wife often says, "It's your opinion...but it's wrong."

Bruce

[Mike]

We all have our opinions. Here is my poor effort, regards, Mike http://survivalblog.com/the-cmp-amer...by-uncle-mike/

[Rock]

We all have our opinions. Here is my poor effort, regards, Mike http://survivalblog.com/the-cmp-amer...by-uncle-mike/

I think you did good with your effort. You made a lot of great points.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the the top loading, Garand designed, enboc system makes the M1 very easy to make safe. When unloading, the chambered round is ejected first and the clip with the remaining rounds is ejected second. There is no chance of leaving an unnoticed round in the chamber, which happens now and then with bottom loaded, detachable box magazine firearms.