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  • Marty T.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 491

    #1

    M1 Gas Trap Question

    This item is NOT mine and I DO NOT have anything to do with it. Just so you know I'm not pushing a sale, but there is something that I would like to have and some of you may be able to afford it. Ebay has an auction for a gas trap cylinder and sight.
    My question about it is, it is listed as an RIA gas trap set. Did they make the gas cylinders for the early rifles or just SA make them? Just curious. Thanks.
  • RCS
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 2180

    #2
    gas trap cylinders

    It is my understanding plus owning Billy Pyle's book "The Gas Trap Garand" that all the "gas trap" rifles were manufactured at Springfield

    Rock Island had the Model 1903 then sold the equipment to Remington
    Attached Files

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    • Jay Johnson
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 661

      #3
      I'm following that auction as well, the RIA claim left me questioning it as well, I've been under the impression that all gas trap production was at Springfield, but gas trap Garands aren't my focus.

      Here's the auction in question http://www.ebay.com/itm/191283029892...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
      ___________________________________________
      R.I.P. SERVICE RIFLE
      1903-2015

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      • Ltdave
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 587

        #4
        is it possible that RIA had some stuff on hand squirreled away from rebuild? it certainly looks aged but i really dont know anything about gas traps or how they worked thats different than the standard gas system...

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        • Marty T.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 491

          #5
          I was also wondering how the conclusion was made that it was RIA since there are no identifying markings to show that. Is theres something in the way it was machined, etc. or is this just another "I don't know what I'm talking about" auction listing. Any more info along that line would be nice to know also. I have not spent any time really studying the gas traps either since I know that they will always be out of my price range. But some of the things that people come up with amazes me sometimes.

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          • Rick B
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 717

            #6
            Very well may have come from Rock Island from a rebuild as LtDave stated. The Barn wood is said to have come from Rock Island and I can say that but we know they were not made there. Rick B


            Last edited by Rick B; 08-16-2014, 04:36.

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            • brannow
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2014
              • 2

              #7
              Im the owner of the gas trap on ebay. I bought the estate of a collector/gun smith and just went by his tag. Although I have owned a few Garands over the years I had no idea that is was from the early gas trap Garand. The guy died in 2007 so I'm not sure where he obtained it. I have been told though by a few people it is absolutely correct and original though.

              Hope this helps,

              Bill Rannow
              Mpls, MN

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              • Embalmer
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 932

                #8
                Originally posted by Rick B
                Very well may have come from Rock Island from a rebuild as LtDave stated. The Barn wood is said to have come from Rock Island and I can say that but we know they were not made there. Rick B


                that pile of wood makes me want to cry

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                • Rick B
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 717

                  #9
                  Thank you Bill for the Information and just glad it was not tossed by the family as many of these older parts are especially the springs.

                  Embalmer, no reason to cry the wood in the picture is being well taken care of now after 67 years of sitting . Rick B

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                  • Ltdave
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 587

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rick B
                    Thank you Bill for the Information and just glad it was not tossed by the family as many of these older parts are especially the springs.

                    Embalmer, no reason to cry the wood in the picture is being well taken care of now after 67 years of sitting . Rick B

                    just curious on the color coded tape on the ends of the stocks...

                    i assume they indicate a certain cartouche, or maker, or grade? wouldnt it be easier to find a good "orange" stock if all the orange were in a stack and all the blue in a stack and so on and so on?

                    on a side note it IS good youre taking charge of these and being a good steward of them!

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                    • Rick B
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 717

                      #11
                      Yes each indicates Manufacture and anything rare or early is in separate storage. Nothing is for sale at this time so please no emails. Rick B




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                      • StockDoc
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1189

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Marty T.
                        This item is NOT mine and I DO NOT have anything to do with it. Just so you know I'm not pushing a sale, but there is something that I would like to have and some of you may be able to afford it. Ebay has an auction for a gas trap cylinder and sight.
                        My question about it is, it is listed as an RIA gas trap set. Did they make the gas cylinders for the early rifles or just SA make them? Just curious. Thanks.
                        The hang tag says "from RIA" what does that mean, I see no RIA on the gas Cylinder. Did he get it during Overhaul and repair of a gas trap rifle, did he get it from "Rock Island Auction" or somewhere else. you will never know.
                        liberum aeternum

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                        • brannow
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 2

                          #13
                          Not sure the guy was dead for many years before I bought the parts. His daughter had no idea.

                          Bill Rannow

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                          • 2111
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 863

                            #14
                            Originally posted by StockDoc
                            The hang tag says "from RIA" what does that mean, I see no RIA on the gas Cylinder. Did he get it during Overhaul and repair of a gas trap rifle, did he get it from "Rock Island Auction" or somewhere else. you will never know.
                            As RIA didn't manufacture gas trap cylinders I would think it means just what it says. "From RIA". Maybe purchased as scrap years ago. Like you said "you will never really know", but does it really matter ?

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                            • StockDoc
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 1189

                              #15
                              2111, my comment was referring to MartyT's " it is listed as an RIA gas trap set." The add lists it as RIA but the hang tag says "from RIA". My guess is as yours, it was acquired from RIA one way or another.

                              At one time at the "Great Western Gun Shows", there was a guy selling these, people laugh at them as being paper weights.
                              liberum aeternum

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