Presentation M1 Garand

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  • da gimp
    Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
    • Aug 2009
    • 10137

    #16
    Can you post a better picture of the heel? On this pix, though a lil fuzzy.. I do not see the ghost of earlier markings as was seen in the rifle in the auction....... I'm guessing but I'm wondering if someone tried to create a clone of the rifle you just showed.......... the ampersand is different from the auction rifle........
    be safe, enjoy life, journey well
    da gimp
    OFC, Mo. Chapter

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    • Rick B
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 717

      #17
      So are you saying they are all marked One of Nine? Are they also all scrubbed receivers? I could do this to a bunch of receivers and make up paperwork easily. Key is who etched them as they are not a stamp and were they etching in 55? To many iffs for me to buy one. Rick B

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      • 2111
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 863

        #18
        Originally posted by Rick B
        So are you saying they are all marked One of Nine? Are they also all scrubbed receivers? I could do this to a bunch of receivers and make up paperwork easily. Key is who etched them as they are not a stamp and were they etching in 55? To many iffs for me to buy one. Rick B
        On the rear of the heal they are all marked the same, "1955, the two logos and One of Nine". Each of the nine rifles also are individually numbered. They are stamped on the bottom of the receiver near the barrel, and on the rear of the barrel with the number of the rifle (1 to 9). The same number is also stamped on the stock on the top, just to the rear of the clip latch cut out. Lets say the rifle was number 5 of 9, then it will be stamped with a 5 in the three locations mentioned.
        As I said the rifle belongs to a friend. These are the only pictures I have. You should ask Bob Seijas about the " scrubbed receivers" as he has owned two of these rifles and knows of others.
        Last edited by 2111; 12-05-2014, 05:15.

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        • 2111
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 863

          #19
          Originally posted by da gimp
          Can you post a better picture of the heel? On this pix, though a lil fuzzy.. I do not see the ghost of earlier markings as was seen in the rifle in the auction....... I'm guessing but I'm wondering if someone tried to create a clone of the rifle you just showed.......... the ampersand is different from the auction rifle........
          I think the top picture Rick posted is from the auction rifle. The "ampersand" on that rifle looks to be the same as the one on the rifle I posted and the one in Bobs article. Something like a backwards 7 with a loop on bottom left. I would like to know the number of the auction rifle. Bob Seijas states in his article that he was "able to track down several of these special rifles, and acquire two of them". So Bob would know the numbers of the two rifles he has and I know the number of my friends rifle. Bob said he was able to track down "several" so he may know the numbers of some others and who owns them. If the auction rifle is numbered and duplicates the known numbers then that would seem to indicate a problem.

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          • 2111
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 863

            #20
            GCA article by Bob Seijas with permission:

            Last edited by 2111; 12-06-2014, 04:54.

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            • DeWayne Hayes
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 204

              #21
              Read the photos of correspondence between Bob Seijas and various people on the Rock Island auction page (linked above). Very interesting, and mentions at one point fakers possibly scrubbing receiver heels and re-engraving ...

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              • StockDoc
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2014
                • 1189

                #22
                so does "1 0f 9" qualify as the Rifles Serial number? Sorry off topic but curious
                liberum aeternum

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                • PhillipM
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5937

                  #23
                  Pre 68, no serial number required.
                  Phillip McGregor (OFC)
                  "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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                  • da gimp
                    Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10137

                    #24
                    I'd sure hate to have to use only Bob's name in 20 years as I tried to explain to the feds or even a local prosecutor why I possessed a firearm with an altered serial number...........that's if bob was even alive in 3 years much less 20.........they'd laugh you off the witness stand.
                    be safe, enjoy life, journey well
                    da gimp
                    OFC, Mo. Chapter

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                    • StockDoc
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 1189

                      #25
                      makes sense to use a rejected receiver, since it was made as a wall mount and a good receiver was needed for the War effort (or Police action)
                      liberum aeternum

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