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not a restorationliberum aeternumComment
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If I had a spare $10k, I'd bid on it, and may get close to winning. What a beautiful rifle!!!Comment
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The cmp is not stating it is original. If not a restoration most likely enhanced. Very nice rifle.Comment
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There's a big difference between "like new" and "Collector Grade". That "like new" description leaves a lot to be desired."No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark TwainComment
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to me, so would collector grade. Collector does not necessarily mean perfect, I would think. If a Garand came up, used by Audie Murphy and all beat up, wouldn't that be a collector grade/ wanted rifle?
Like new could be anything from, the factory to just sat in an armory for 80 years.Last edited by StockDoc; 05-08-2015, 09:14.liberum aeternumComment
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Collector grade is simply a CMP term used to designate rifles, in above average condition, having what they determine to be all original parts. It really has nothing to do with how collectable a rifle is. There were hundreds of "collector grade" SA and HRA Greek returns sold by the CMP a few years ago, but a beat up old gas trap would be WAY more collectable, and valuable, than one of those. This rifle is a step above collector grade because it is a WWII Winchester, in seldom seen pristine condition, which makes it more collectable than the post war "collector grade" rifles sold by the CMP. Novice collectors may not understand what "new condition" or "collector grade" means and be confused by the terms. Experienced collectors will pay no attention to those terms and judge the rifle on its own merits.Comment
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That sure looks like a Boyd's stock to me. If so, kinda hard to be "Original".
It looks a lot like my Winchester except my stock is WWII issue....--------------------------------
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Nice put together, nothing more...Not to worry, there are more on the rack in the back....regards...alexComment
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Only in the way CMP describes it. "This is a stunning example of a Winchester M1 rifle, and this rifle appears to be like new." I would have expected that it would have been described as "the rifle appears to be ORIGINAL and in LIKE NEW condition",
Either way, it is still a beautiful rifle that anyone would love to own.Comment
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"like new" could also mean restored to "like new" condition. With a rifle as nice as this one, without anything that stands out as incorrect, it is just about impossible for anyone to know if it original, enhanced or restored without a hands on inspection. I am just guessing restoration, or at least enhanced, based only on how it is advertised. No argument that it is a beautiful rifle and will surely bring big money.Last edited by 2111; 05-08-2015, 05:47.Comment
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The CMP has earned a rock solid reputation for integrity in the selling of government surplus rifles. If one actually reads the auction description, this rifle is clearly being offered as being in the condition in which it was received from the U.S. Army. Now, I realize that the concept of "integrity" isn't always fully grasped by some sellers of used guns, but to imply that the CMP would intentionally parse words in an attempt to pass off a restoration as original is, to me, nothing short of absurd. They would have little to gain and everything to lose in doing so."They've took the fun out of running the race. You never see a campfire anywhere. There's never any time for visiting." - Joe Redington Sr., 1997Comment
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