this really broke my bubble with the M14

[Griff Murphey]

image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgPoint of information... All of the early M-16s were marked "AR-15" - Colt was the exclusive producer in those days.

[BigMo]

UUUrah:

I don't care if you don't like the M16, that is your opinion but you are missing some information about the current M16. And I do mean M16, as in the US military series of rifle, currently in use...........................

The SDM M16A4 was/is a issue rifle to Infantry units. It had a floated barrel, which was 1/7. It, and all M16's, did not have a titanium firing pin- that is something you bought for yourself. The M193 was designed for the 1/12 A1's but instead of getting rid of it once we went to the A2's, it was simply used up. Why you decided to compete with the 55gr bullets was up to you- not the military. The US military has and uses the 77gr mk262 round with the SDM. The mk262 is also available to line units. It will go out to 1000yds and is magazine fed.

The USMC qualification was to shoot a M16A2 out to 500yds with M855. ALOT of Marines qual'd that way and "hit the black." Could a "BASIC" M14 loaded with M118 reliably hit the "black at 1000yds?" No but I'm not sure a "BASIC" M16A2 could either. An SDM could and does...............

PSS--As Griff points out, the early original Service rifles WERE marked AR15 but you seem to draw a difference there, so I'll use the current terminology....

[Griff Murphey]

I shot the XM-16E1A2 on Okinawa in the 1975 3rd Mar Div Intramurals. And it shot pretty well at 500 on the B target. The regular USMC qual course at the time had 10 Rds. Prone slow fire on the "full face silhouette." We were using M-193 - nothing but, back then.

I was stationed at Camp Horno at Pendleton and would throw on utilities at lunch and usually catch the Marines at Range 214 on the 500. I would shoot my welded 7.62 M-1 match rifle that had been built at Lackland by Dwight Ingraham. I could be a smartass and adjust the sights for head shots. I heard a young Marine say: "The Marine Corps needs a rifle like that!"

In my brilliant two year ACDU military career that was where I got my only bad fitness report. My CO was a bearded peacenik ex-USMC helo driver who had become a dentist and it really pissed him off that I had that hobby and taught some of the dental techs how to shoot.