Serial number range for introduction of 03a3 reinforcement bolts vs pins?

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  • usmartial1950
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 20

    #1

    Serial number range for introduction of 03a3 reinforcement bolts vs pins?

    Could someone shed some light on the point at which the stock reinforcing bolts were begun and the pins discontinued? Also, at about what point were the "winter" trigger guards and blued upper bands introduced. I am thinking specifically of Remington production only. Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.
  • Merc
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 1690

    #2
    Stock recoil bolts were introduced in mid-1943 because field reports indicated the recoil pins were not strong enough. Maybe JB can tell you the specific date or the beginning serial number of the changeover. Some older 03-A3s may have had their pinned stocks replaced with bolted stocks if they became damaged.

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    • Rick the Librarian
      Super Moderator
      • Aug 2009
      • 6700

      #3
      Something to keep in mind is the term "introduced". Rifles were not finished in serial number order and often, earlier parts are found on later rifles or vice-versa. I would agree with Merc - late summer, 1943.
      "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
      --C.S. Lewis

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      • Merc
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2016
        • 1690

        #4
        A good example of old and new parts mixed - my 03-A3 has a 5/43 serial number and has a bolted stock which is probably not the factory stock.

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        • rebound
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 315

          #5
          Originally posted by Merc
          A good example of old and new parts mixed - my 03-A3 has a 5/43 serial number and has a bolted stock which is probably not the factory stock.
          5/43 is about the time frame they where swicthing back to bolts from pins. Stock probubly is correct..

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          • John Beard
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 2275

            #6
            Originally posted by usmartial1950
            Could someone shed some light on the point at which the stock reinforcing bolts were begun and the pins discontinued? Also, at about what point were the "winter" trigger guards and blued upper bands introduced. I am thinking specifically of Remington production only. Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.
            If you provide the serial number or approximate serial number of your rifle, I should be able to tell you which parts it should have.

            J.B.

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            • Merc
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 1690

              #7
              Originally posted by rebound
              5/43 is about the time frame they where swicthing back to bolts from pins. Stock probubly is correct..
              Thanks for the info. Thought the switch occurred later in 43.

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              • Merc
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 1690

                #8
                Originally posted by Merc
                Thanks for the info. Thought the switch occurred later in 43.
                JB,

                Barrel is dated 4/43. Serial Number is 3726871 (5/43). Pins or bolts?

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                • Rick the Librarian
                  Super Moderator
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6700

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Merc
                  Thanks for the info. Thought the switch occurred later in 43.
                  I would agree - I always heard late summer (7-8/43).
                  "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                  --C.S. Lewis

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                  • John Beard
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2275

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Merc
                    JB,

                    Barrel is dated 4/43. Serial Number is 3726871 (5/43). Pins or bolts?
                    Pins.

                    J.B.

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                    • Merc
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 1690

                      #11
                      Originally posted by John Beard
                      Pins.

                      J.B.
                      JB,

                      Thanks.

                      Merc

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                      • IditarodJoe
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1529

                        #12
                        John, if you would please ...

                        Wife shoots s/n 3761937, 9/43 barrel, crossbolt stock. Does that sound right? CMP rifle bought in Nov '05.

                        Thanks.
                        "They've took the fun out of running the race. You never see a campfire anywhere. There's never any time for visiting." - Joe Redington Sr., 1997

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                        • John Beard
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 2275

                          #13
                          Originally posted by IditarodJoe
                          John, if you would please ...

                          Wife shoots s/n 3761937, 9/43 barrel, crossbolt stock. Does that sound right? CMP rifle bought in Nov '05.

                          Thanks.
                          Yes, crossbolts can be correct for S/N 3761937. The rifle falls in the transition range.

                          J.B.

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                          • IditarodJoe
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 1529

                            #14
                            Thank you, John. You're an invaluable resource and we're fortunate to have you as a member of the Jouster forums.
                            "They've took the fun out of running the race. You never see a campfire anywhere. There's never any time for visiting." - Joe Redington Sr., 1997

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                            • Merc
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2016
                              • 1690

                              #15
                              JB or Rick,

                              Were pinned stocks always switched to bolted stocks during arsenal rebuilds or was it performed only when stock damage occurred? How common is it to find pinned stocks on early 03-A3s today?

                              Merc

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