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  • gnoahhh
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 100

    #1

    Looking for bolt ID help

    I have a bolt with a straight handle, ordinance bomb on bottom side of bolt root, SN (or NS) stamped on bottom of safety lug, single small vent hole up forward. What era rifle would it be a proper fit for?

    Thank you.
  • John Beard
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 2275

    #2
    Your bolt would be correct for a very late-1918 or 1919 Rock Island Model 1903 rifle.

    J.B.

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    • gnoahhh
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 100

      #3
      Thank you very much.

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      • Sunray
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3251

        #4
        "...ordinance bomb"... OrdNANCE. An 'Ordinance' is a law.
        You cannot just put a bolt into any rifle. Bolts require fitting for headspace by a gunsmith.
        Spelling and grammar count!

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #5
          Originally posted by Sunray
          You cannot just put a bolt into any rifle. Bolts require fitting for headspace by a gunsmith.
          For '03s, my understanding is that headspace is set in the chamber. Unaware of a bolt based procedure beyond swapping bolts until one gives serviceable headspace. This after initial reaming of the chamber with a particular bolt.

          From the happy coincidence department: one of my shooters is a Greek return, S/N 1.37M range, so Nickle Steel receiver. Independent of this I got a 3 bolt set of bolt bodies off of eBay, with one advertised as "NB" on the bolt handle. That NS bolt ran long on two of my HN rifles, but gauged right on with that CMP NS action. So they're together now in all of their gummy glory.
          Last edited by togor; 11-01-2018, 04:15.

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          • gnoahhh
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 100

            #6
            Originally posted by togor
            For '03s, my understanding is that headspace is set in the chamber. Unaware of a bolt based procedure beyond swapping bolts until one gives serviceable headspace. This after initial reaming of the chamber with a particular bolt.

            From the happy coincidence department: one of my shooters is a Greek return, S/N 1.37M range, so Nickle Steel receiver. Independent of this I got a 3 bolt set of bolt bodies off of eBay, with one advertised as "NB" on the bolt handle. That NS bolt ran long on two of my HN rifles, but gauged right on with that CMP NS action. So they're together now in all of their gummy glory.
            In the "happy coincidence department", a late NS bolt came along with the above mentioned bolt in the deal. Out of curiosity I tried it in my 1903A1 which had a Remington bolt in it, said R bolt closed with the faintest resistance on a go-gauge, minimal headspace. The "new" NS bolt closed with the exact same resistance on the gauge. (And yes, the checks were made with just the stripped bolt bodies, no extractors.) They are now together in all their "gummy glory" also. The very best part of the story is that I got the pair of bolts for a paltry $40.

            Sorry for the spelling error. My sainted Mom passed away on the day I wrote my initial post and I was trying my best to divert myself from the grief by engaging in some 'normal' gun talk.
            Last edited by gnoahhh; 11-19-2018, 06:30.

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #7
              I'm sorry for your loss. Like nearly all mothers she is in a better place.

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              • John Beard
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 2275

                #8
                I add my condolences on your mother's passing.

                J.B.

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                • Allen
                  Moderator
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 10628

                  #9
                  My condolences on your mother's passing as well. Hopefully you got to keep her for a long time.

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                  • lyman
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11297

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sunray
                    "...ordinance bomb"... OrdNANCE. An 'Ordinance' is a law.
                    You cannot just put a bolt into any rifle. Bolts require fitting for headspace by a gunsmith.
                    actually, for US Service weapons, they do not ,

                    just need to headspace to make sure and try a few if yours do not work (headspace correctly)

                    designed that way,

                    initial headspace is set when the barrel is installed, (chamber short, so it needs to be reamed)

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                    • fguffey
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 684

                      #11
                      I have 35 03A3 bolts; there is not .001" difference in the effect each has on the length of the chamber from the shoulder of the chamber to the bolt face.

                      F. Guffey

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                      • fguffey
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 684

                        #12
                        just need to headspace to make sure and try a few if yours do not work (headspace correctly)

                        designed that way,
                        I also have 2 boxes of 2 Brown and Sharp complete bolts. All 4 bolts are identical. If there was a plan to correct the length of the chamber with a bolt logic would dictate the bolts would be different.


                        F. Guffey

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                        • lyman
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 11297

                          #13
                          Originally posted by fguffey
                          I also have 2 boxes of 2 Brown and Sharp complete bolts. All 4 bolts are identical. If there was a plan to correct the length of the chamber with a bolt logic would dictate the bolts would be different.


                          F. Guffey
                          if you gonna quote, quote the entire post, not take things out of perspective,

                          the 03 (and A3) were headspaced when barreled,
                          bolts designed to be swapped out, if needed, but not to need any adjustment or fitting, (just check headspace to make sure, due to manufacture tolerances etc)

                          unlike say in Enfield, that required the bolt head to be fitted,,

                          I've rebarreled, and worked on many a 1903 and 1903A3, there will be some variation in headspace when bolts are changed , likely due to wear on the receiver and barrel,

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #14
                            I have a bolt/action chart that reminds me which bolts headspace how into which actions. Not all 03 bolts headspace the same. Given lots, maybe.

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                            • lyman
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 11297

                              #15
                              Originally posted by togor
                              I have a bolt/action chart that reminds me which bolts headspace how into which actions. Not all 03 bolts headspace the same. Given lots, maybe.
                              would like to see that chart, could you post it?

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