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Yes, Very interesting! I look forward to what I will learn from discussion of this.
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Vultee Aircraft Corp. Later merged into Consolidated Aviation Co. A company gun.Comment
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Why does it look like a cast receiver, or is that paint?Last edited by Randy A; 02-17-2013, 08:08.Comment
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Randy, because it is a cast receiver. Makes you wonder about any connection to National Ord, directly, or the process.
KurtAs the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."Comment
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Vultee became Consolidated-Vultee in 1943. It is possible 03-A3s could have been supplied to them for guard guns, and even re numbered by some bright spark at the company. Being an aircraft company, not gun finishers, they may have painted the receiver. But I would not expect the paint to have held up that well over so many years. Close examination of the receiver should tell if it is a postwar cast receiver or WW 2 Remington or SC. I would suggest, if genuine, it should likely have all the same manufacturer parts.
It may be a weapon that walked off and was humped up to look like non-U.S. property.Last edited by Griff Murphey; 02-18-2013, 04:15.Comment
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It sure looks like a cast receiver in the auction pictures. I did some Googling and came up dry on the rifles, they had some interesting planes.Comment
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From Jack the Dogs description;
"Since all of the standard military production was needed to arm front line troops, these rifles were assembled with surplus/rejected military parts built on a non-military cast receiver. This particular rifle appears to have been used by Vultee Aviation. Vultee Aviation produced the BT-13 which was the basic trainer flown by most American pilots during World War II. Vultee later merged with Consolidated Aircraft Corporation to form Convair. The receiver is marked "VUL TEE AVIA." and serial numbered 1755. The receiver is obviously made from a casting and has some surface porosity and visible casting lines."
Pretty odd duck
KurtAs the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."Comment
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Phillip McGregor (OFC)
"I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthurComment
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Yesterday I was sort of taken in by the story, but inconsistencies nagged at me. Like the uniform finish on top of some incredibly battered parts.
Where are the experts who can tell so much from seeing the bottom of the receiver? There is such a shot in the listing - the front guard screw hole looks kind of stripped out in that shot, too.Comment
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the gun and story are likely B.S.
its a National Ord , thats been ground, and hand stamped, all the metal is freshly painted with spray paint.
no stripper clip guide and cavity behind the recoil lug give it away.
i could build one just like it, in a day. with some of my shop grade stamps. some cheap paint and a shot out 1942 SA barrel.
ticking time bomb with a line of BS to go with it.
the only thing with any kind of real value or use...is the N.S. bolt..Last edited by chuckindenver; 02-18-2013, 06:50.if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.Comment
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The whole story is a little odd. Vultee made high quality aircraft. So all of a sudden they make a piece of junk firearm? With junk parts with an odd serial number? Virtually unknown for 50 years? But I am to believe a dog? Pass on this one.Comment
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If Chuck is correct ( I believe he is) removing the Nat'l Ordinance mark/name & their serial # makes & changing them to the present name, even possessing this rifle a serious FEDERAL felony.........and also a state felony here in Missouri.........who needs a serious legal headache with an admitedly poorly made/junk receiver..........that ain't even safe to shoot?be safe, enjoy life, journey well
da gimp
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As far as I am aware, Nat. Ord was the only one that made 1903A3 cast receivers. In addition to Chuck pointing out some of the dead give aways, there is another common feature to them, that being the circular depression on the ledge behind the cut-off switch.
KurtAs the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."Comment
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At best it's a wall hanger and maybe a legal land mine. I wouldn't touch it myself.Comment
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