Crossed canons

[Kragrifle]

Does anyone know when the crosses canons ordnance stamp first appeared? I was thinking later around WW2, but wonder if it was earlier.

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Sorry, cannon!

[RCS]

On the 1940 M1 rifle, the crossed cannon stamp first appeared around Oct 1940 on the SA GHS cartouched stocks, the early SA GHS stocks did
not have the crossed cannon stamp and before the SA GHS there was the SA SPG cartouche (also without the crossed cannon stamp

[the_1st_sgt]

Would the first cannon been large or small wheel? I am looking to buy a SA 233XXX with 1-41 bbl. at my local auction in May. The stock has been heavily sanded leaving no markings what-so-ever. I've seen the rifle and it appears to be all correct except for the stock

[RCS]

The first SA GHS cartouche had the large crossed cannon wheel until within the last months of 1941 when you start
to find the small crossed cannon wheel. SA 233xxx would have had the large whhel

[the_1st_sgt]

Thank you, now I know what to look for

[John Beard]

Would the first cannon been large or small wheel? I am looking to buy a SA 233XXX with 1-41 bbl. at my local auction in May. The stock has been heavily sanded leaving no markings what-so-ever. I've seen the rifle and it appears to be all correct except for the stock

I am not aware that any legitimate 1-41 dated barrels exist. You might want to double-check the date.

J.B.

[the_1st_sgt]

When I read RCS's post I had M1 on the brain. I had forgotten that I was on the 03 site

[RCS]

!st sgt We both got off track, you could ask M1 questions over to the M1 forum

my father-in-law was a Sgt Major and I have his dog tag

RCS

[the_1st_sgt]

It was total brain fart on my part. I do appreciate your help

Mike

[butlersrangers]

FWIW - Some Krag stocks are seen that have the small 'Ordnance Wheel/Crossed Cannon' stamp. This appears in conjunction with capital letters.

I suspect these marks were put on during some (depot) inspection, repair, or rebuild, during the WW1 period.

It is a 'head scratcher' for me. The stamp is known to appear occasionally on a Krag stock, but, not adequately explained. Most Krag rifles and carbines were sold off by the DCM, during the late 1920's and early 1930's.

(Some Krags may have remained on U.S. Ships, far later).

krag stock HH-ord wheel.jpgkrag CA mark.jpg

[Kragrifle]

If the cross cannon mark is later, WW 2 era, this would imply that Krags were still being rebuilt/used this late, probably for National Guard/Army Reserve units?

CA- California ?

[butlersrangers]

I suspect the small 'cross-canon' ordnance mark on Krags was put on in the pre-WW1 era.

The U.S. Military had sold or destroyed most of its Krags well before 1941. Some may have remained on ships.

[fguffey]

I have a Remington Auto loader from 1905 with the Ordinance stamp on the stock, I have been told it is a phony stamp because it is too large.

F. Guffey