M1903 USMC Sniper stock Leather Shim at Rear of Reciever - Continued

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  • chuckindenver
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3005

    #16
    pictured rifle doesnt appear to be genuine, couple issues.
    trigger guard screws arent staked in place, bolt is brite polished, scope is a little to late.
    however.
    the guard may be genuine, it does differ greatly from yours.
    it has a straight flat mill cut, all the way until about 2 inches from the sight clearence.
    hole is nicely cut.. but real hard to tell from the pictures for sure.
    also, no black tar around the rear sight base, common on USMC sniper rifles that i have seen.
    JB knows what the black covering is..if i remember right it was some sort of tree sealer..for lack of a better discription.
    the serial number puts the receiver right at the end of production, and alot of those receivers were sold just as a receiver.
    unless there is some sort of proof that the rifle is a genuine sniper. i say doubtful.
    the few Genuine A1 snipers iv seen, had blackened bolts, scopes had serial numbers below 2000 , guard screws were hard staked in place.
    if indeed the rifle is a USMC sniper, its never seen combat, the last one i saw, looks like it was used to beat alligators with.
    the others were pretty rough as well, even though they had been rebuilt.
    couple other things to look for.
    scope base screws should be hard staked, and by that time, high temp soldered as well, at least the front base.
    should also have a punch mark just ahead of the front scope base, from the armorer that installed it.
    stock may or may not be a USMC stock, they used what worked. iv seen combat pics of a grasping groove stock being used, could be thats what the shooter liked, or that the original was broken in field, and thats what they had on hand to put the rifle in service.
    iv not seen any genuine snipers with a star mark as well, from what i was told, the USMC didnt mark the muzzle, and only marked the barrel on the bottom side ahead of the rear sight base, but havnt seen enough genuine rifles, to really validate that.
    this was told to me by a man that worked on them during Korea, he also has a genuine Snipers rifle, with the features iv listed.
    the rifle pictured is a nice rifle though...
    if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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    • John Beard
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 2275

      #17
      Your USMC internet sniper rifle is fake as a $3 bill.

      J.B.

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      • Col. Colt
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 928

        #18
        And that is why we need you gentlemen to keep us straight.
        The 03 Springfield is a fairly new interest to me, despite my age, due to my being left handed. So the M1 Garand, and the M1A have been my Darlings until very recently, as they neatly avoided the bolt manipulation problem.

        It is obvious a well meaning neophyte (like me) could be at considerable risk in this world of fakers and forgers. My primary interest is historical, and the 03's primary source books are incomplete and don't even agree. Without people like chuck and JB, many of us could easily be "taken".

        I continue to humbly learn, gentlemen. Sorry for the false photos - no one in my locale has ever displayed a verified USMC Sniper to even look at. I can see that, should I ever decide to afford one, I will seek professional help before committing to a purchase.
        As always, thanks for the lesson. CC

        PS - NOTE TO EVERYONE - The Lesson about the knowledge required to be sure of your purchase here is important. If you are not sure of what you are buying, get a professional opinion - 1903s are a pretty complex subject. (Garands are well documented, by comparison!) I think I will go be quiet and comtemplate for a while.......CC
        Last edited by Col. Colt; 03-28-2013, 03:11.
        Colt, Glock and Remington factory trained LE Armorer
        LE Trained Firearms Instructor

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        • chuckindenver
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3005

          #19
          with the USMC snipers rifle..a good guide to use..if its crispy pretty...more then likely its bogus, even museum rifles are rough.
          you used to be able to do a digital tour through the Remington arms museum, and there you will see a few genuine Marine sniper rifles, from the 1917 to the M40A1s..
          the USMC used those rifles, and did so hard. they killed the enemy with them, they were a tool made to do just that.
          if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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          • John Beard
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 2275

            #20
            Originally posted by Col. Colt
            And that is why we need you gentlemen to keep us straight.
            The 03 Springfield is a fairly new interest to me, despite my age, due to my being left handed. So the M1 Garand, and the M1A have been my Darlings until very recently, as they neatly avoided the bolt manipulation problem.

            It is obvious a well meaning neophyte (like me) could be at considerable risk in this world of fakers and forgers. My primary interest is historical, and the 03's primary source books are incomplete and don't even agree. Without people like chuck and JB, many of us could easily be "taken".

            I continue to humbly learn, gentlemen. Sorry for the false photos - no one in my locale has ever displayed a verified USMC Sniper to even look at. I can see that, should I ever decide to afford one, I will seek professional help before committing to a purchase.
            As always, thanks for the lesson. CC

            PS - NOTE TO EVERYONE - The Lesson about the knowledge required to be sure of your purchase here is important. If you are not sure of what you are buying, get a professional opinion - 1903s are a pretty complex subject. (Garands are well documented, by comparison!) I think I will go be quiet and comtemplate for a while.......CC
            My comment about the fake rifle was not intended to be critical.

            We are all students. Your desire to learn is highly commendable. And if I can help, I will be glad to do so. I receive regular requests to authenticate rifles.

            J.B.

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            • chuckindenver
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3005

              #21
              i spent some time on Springfields museum vertual page...you might takes some time and look at the rifles they have..
              if nothing else..its good eye candy.
              if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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