Griffin and Howe M1903 heavy barrel target rifle

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  • Calfed
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 734

    #1

    Griffin and Howe M1903 heavy barrel target rifle

    I recently glommed this rifle at an auction and have been scouring the internet for any information about it with almost almost no luck.

    The auction pics and description...





    "Custom U.S. Springfield, Model 1903, Bolt Action Rifle, with 28" custom heavy barrel by Griffin & Howe, .30-06 caliber, SN 1269532, custom heavy walnut checkered stock, very nice condition."



    It arrived a few days ago and I got a chance to snap a few pictures before it went into my FFL's safe for a 10-day "cooling-off" period. Anyone have any information on G&H heavy barrel target rifles?

    The bore is very good...shiny, sharp and the muzzle measures "0" on the CMP muzzle gauge. The bluing is excellent.

    The barrel is marked "Griffin and Howe Inc New York"



    And "30.06 Gov"



    Bolt had striker modified and the bolt handle is marked "J5"





    Stock has interesting grain



    Last edited by Calfed; 08-31-2019, 12:34.
    ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...
  • Kragrifle
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1161

    #2
    If there is a number with the G&H lettering they will have records on the rifle. I have a rifle with Barreled by Griffin and Howe but no number so no record.

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    • Calfed
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 734

      #3
      Originally posted by Kragrifle
      If there is a number with the G&H lettering they will have records on the rifle. I have a rifle with Barreled by Griffin and Howe but no number so no record.
      Thanks, Krag. What kind of barrel is on yours?
      ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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      • Kragrifle
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1161

        #4
        I have a 1922 M1 receiver set up for 22 Hornet with box magazine done by Springfield barreled by Griffin & Howe.

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        • Calfed
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 734

          #5
          Originally posted by Kragrifle
          I have a 1922 M1 receiver set up for 22 Hornet with box magazine done by Springfield barreled by Griffin & Howe.
          The only other heavy barrel G&H 1903 I can find is one from about a decade ago that was auctioned off on James Julia auctions. It was inscribed "REBARRELED BY GRIFFIN & HOWE INC NEW YORK” .

          ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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          • Calfed
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            • Nov 2009
            • 734

            #6
            Originally posted by Kragrifle
            If there is a number with the G&H lettering they will have records on the rifle. I have a rifle with Barreled by Griffin and Howe but no number so no record.

            Finally got in and picked up my rifle.

            I couldn't find any more markings on it, other than this. Under one of the scope blocks I found "No 1x27". The X digit was drilled through for the scope block.



            Bolt body has the previously referred to "damascene"


            Muzzle is tight..."0"- on the CMP gauge.

            Last edited by Calfed; 10-10-2019, 02:18.
            ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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            • Kragrifle
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1161

              #7
              Appears to be s real G&H rifle with the scope being added (poorly) later. I’m sure you can get records from G&H to match up to your rifle.

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              • Calfed
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 734

                #8
                Originally posted by Kragrifle
                Appears to be s real G&H rifle with the scope being added (poorly) later. I’m sure you can get records from G&H to match up to your rifle.
                Is there an issue with the scope blocks?
                ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                • Kragrifle
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1161

                  #9
                  Probably not, but you need to ask Dan Hudson if you know him. You can usually find him at the Tulsa show,

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                  • lyman
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11266

                    #10
                    would G&H add the blocks in that location?


                    I have only seen a few G&H rifles, and one loose barrel (from a High Wall) that was D&T's, don't recall ever seeing a Block put over the wording

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                    • Calfed
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 734

                      #11
                      I heard back from Bob Beach, the now-retired historian for Griffin and Howe...


                      "I regret that I have retired from doing the research and letters of provenance effective the end of 2018. There is a current G&H employee who intends to continue the service but it will take some time to rearrange his present responsibilities and familiarize him with the available documents.
                      A new Research email account has not yet been set up for him so I will continue to read and respond to inquiries. As you may know there are no original G&H& records prior to 1970 except for those rifles sold through Abercrombie & Fitch which owned G&H from 1930 until 1976 and sold many G&H rifles as both new and used guns. I checked all of the possible G&H serials numbers in the A&F records that were in the form 1x27 and there were four possibilities, but each does not seem to describe your rifle.

                      No. 1127 is built on a Winc. M54 action

                      No. 1627 has a 26 inch barrel

                      No. 1827 is a Winc. model 70 in .270 caliber

                      No. 1927 is in caliber 257 Roberts.

                      This suggests that your rifle could be:

                      No. 1027 built in 1930 – 31

                      No. 1227 built in 1933

                      No. 1327 built about 1933 - 34

                      No. 1427 built in 1935

                      No. 1527 built about 1936

                      or No. 1727 built in the early 1940’s

                      These dates are derived from the dates of near number G&H rifles sold at A&F and Michael Petroff’s research. I will check the files at G&H when I next get there which may not happen until November. G&H does have some paperwork for guns that were sent back for shop work post 1970 but these haven’t yet been put into the database that I can check. If I find anything more for you I’ll be sure to get back to you.

                      Thank you for the inquiry and enjoy owning this piece of undocumented history.

                      Regards,"


                      - - - Updated - - -

                      I also found this article about a Wimbledon "Bull Gun" made by Griffin and Howe for Ben Comfort, who won the 1935 Wimbledon match with it. Comfort's rifle was chambered in 300 H&H. and was built on a Remington model 30 action, which bears a strong resemblance to a 1917 action.


                      Griffin & Howe .300 H&H Magnum single shot bull gun, engraved “Ben C. Comfort” with his 1935 Wimbledon Cup-winning score. Built on Remington 30-S Express action serial number 23063 (made in 1932 per Remington), Griffin & Howe rifle number 1415 was “likely” (per G&H Archivist) completed in 1935. (Repeated attempts to locate any G&H records…


                      The barrel profile, although chambered in 300 H&H mag rather than 30.06, appears to be very similar to mine.







                      Muzzle seems very similar to mine also.

                      ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                      • lyman
                        Administrator - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 11266

                        #12
                        Remington Mod 30 was a commercial version of the 1917 action

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                        • Calfed
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                          • Nov 2009
                          • 734

                          #13
                          Originally posted by lyman
                          Remington Mod 30 was a commercial version of the 1917 action
                          Yep. Even retained the clip loading slot.
                          ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                          • Kragrifle
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1161

                            #14
                            The recess for the rear sight doesn’t seem to fit the Lyman style rear sight very well. Is there another style rear sight that would have been fitted to your rifle?

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                            • Calfed
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                              • Nov 2009
                              • 734

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kragrifle
                              The recess for the rear sight doesn’t seem to fit the Lyman style rear sight very well. Is there another style rear sight that would have been fitted to your rifle?
                              I believe that it was originally recessed for a Wittek-Vaver rear sight. It is the closest match that I can find. Here is a picture of the 1903 Vaver sight.

                              Last edited by Calfed; 01-29-2020, 08:44.
                              ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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