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  • leecork
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 116

    #1

    Looking For Stock Cartouches Information

    I don't know much about 1903 rifles, but I do know more about 1903-A3s. I recently purchased a very nice looking Springfield 1903. I think it is mostly original. The serial number is 1218xxx (1921 manufactured) and the barrel appears to be original (dated 2 - 21). The rifle is in beautiful shape with what appears to be original parkerization. I am trying to find out what the original stock cartouches should be. I get confused in reading through the internet information. Some articles claim that it should be a blocked SA FAL. Some claim that all rebuilt rifles have a circled P proof mark. Some say that original 1903s do not have a proofed P. Some talk about an eagle head cartouche.

    Can you guys help me out with my request for info. Thanks, Lee
  • clintonhater
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 5220

    #2
    Originally posted by leecork
    [B][B] I get confused in reading through the internet information.
    You think???

    If it's even a half-way nice '03, you paid enough for it to easily afford Campbell's (my choice) or Brophy's books. Yet you seek "free" on the web? That's cheapskate thinking. Mr. Beard may help you out, but I'm not sure you deserve it.

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    • Kragrifle
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1161

      #3
      Joe Spangler has a good website for sales and information. There is a new book out on US inspectors that is excellent. Brophy’s book is probably the better of the two mentioned, but the more books the better.

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      • lyman
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11266

        #4
        besides searching here and gunboards,

        Vishootershttp://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
        1903 https://m1903.com/


        post pics and ask questions,

        pictures help, gives a better reference to look over

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        • Jon Field
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 191

          #5
          Excuse the man for asking a question! Dang.
          Freedom is not free, the cost can be seen everyday, for it is engraved in marble, cast in bronze and highlighted with little American flags!

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          • clintonhater
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 5220

            #6
            Originally posted by Kragrifle
            Brophy’s book is probably the better of the two mentioned, but the more books the better.
            In some ways, such as photos of accessories, it certainly is, but if you read my thread on the Lyman 48C sights, you'll see that his error caused me to fly off on quite an unnecessary wild goose chase.

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            • jmm03
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 178

              #7
              Wouldn't a 1921 dated 03 have been blued not parkerized ?

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              • leecork
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 116

                #8
                That's nice. As clintonhater says, I am a cheapskate. I would rather target my monies towards acquiring really nice guns and shooting them. My guns are beautiful. Too bad that clintonhater owns just ugly guns.

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                • lyman
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11266

                  #9
                  Originally posted by leecork
                  That's nice. As clintonhater says, I am a cheapskate. I would rather target my monies towards acquiring really nice guns and shooting them. My guns are beautiful. Too bad that clintonhater owns just ugly guns.
                  a wise collector buys a book or 2 for each avenue of collecting,


                  as well as bookmarks stuff on the net,


                  yes, most if not all will have some errors, but over time they get pointed out and folks learn more from them,

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                  • clintonhater
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 5220

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jmm03
                    Wouldn't a 1921 dated 03 have been blued not parkerized ?
                    No.

                    - - - Updated - - -

                    Originally posted by leecork
                    Too bad that clintonhater owns just ugly guns.
                    Yes, that's very sad, but there are compensations: he's not an ignoramus.

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                    • Merc
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 1690

                      #11
                      Easy does it. This forum has always been about sharing information and educating those of us who ask for help.

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                      • John Beard
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2275

                        #12
                        Originally posted by leecork
                        I don't know much about 1903 rifles, but I do know more about 1903-A3s. I recently purchased a very nice looking Springfield 1903. I think it is mostly original. The serial number is 1218xxx (1921 manufactured) and the barrel appears to be original (dated 2 - 21). The rifle is in beautiful shape with what appears to be original parkerization. I am trying to find out what the original stock cartouches should be. I get confused in reading through the internet information. Some articles claim that it should be a blocked SA FAL. Some claim that all rebuilt rifles have a circled P proof mark. Some say that original 1903s do not have a proofed P. Some talk about an eagle head cartouche.

                        Can you guys help me out with my request for info. Thanks, Lee
                        The correct inspection stamp for your 1921 rifle will be any one of the following:

                        W.J.S.
                        W.E.S.
                        D.A.L.

                        each enclosed in a rectangle. I also cannot rule out the possibility of an "E.H.D." enclosed in a rectangle.

                        Stay safe!

                        J.B.
                        Last edited by John Beard; 05-24-2020, 04:11.

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                        • leecork
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 116

                          #13
                          Thanks for the info and assistance , Mr. Beard. I, myself, am fairly knowledgeable about M1 Garands and M1 carbines. Of course living in Port Clinton, Ohio home of the CMP and Standard Products helps. If you ever need info regarding these rifles, feel free to contact me.

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