Old times

[fguffey]

Guffey, sometimes I think you read something on another site, then post your answer here...

PWC, I have no idea how you could come up with a thought like that, I have not posted any answers, what I have posted are questions.

You are the most eclectic thinker I know.

Thank you.

I believe some members have self-respect, pride and dignity, and then there are others that choose to be widely indignant about everything, you ask "what am I talking about?". If you do not want to know, don't ask but you have to put some effort into it. Claiming you do not understand is a childish copout.

A chamber cast that determines the length of the chamber is something only one shooter/reloaders has managed to accomplish. Because of the widely indignant element there is only one shooter/reloader that came to a forum with questions about casting and then left a forum with the ability to cast a chamber that could be used to measure the length of the chamber. I apologized to him for the bad behavior of the reloading forum.

Back to the beginning of this thread; there were members on that forum that were on this forum. He could not understand why they were insulting him.

F. Guffey

[fguffey]

if the rod bows, you may be doing something wrong,

Please tell me how you prevent the cleaning rod from bowing or tell me how a shooter can cause the cleaning rod to bow. I have heavy twine/rope cleaners and I have chains, there is no way a rope and or chain can be pushed through the bore; the chain and or rope/twine can only be pulled unless it goes in one end and out the other and I would not know what reloaders would call that, come and go/back and forth or pull/pull, they could call it a barrel flosser?

And there is the taper ware gage for the muzzle, an auto response for the tapered muzzle is 'the cleaning rod did it'. I do not agree but we have so many snarky members I do not dare upsetting them.

F. Guffey

[lyman]

Please tell me how you prevent the cleaning rod from bowing or tell me how a shooter can cause the cleaning rod to bow.

which do you want an answer to? since you said OR

I have heavy twine/rope cleaners and I have chains, there is no way a rope and or chain can be pushed through the bore; the chain and or rope/twine can only be pulled unless it goes in one end and out the other and I would not know what reloaders would call that, come and go/back and forth or pull/pull, they could call it a barrel flosser?

what to reloaders have to do with cleaning the bore with a pull thru or rod?

why would you go back and forth like floss, when you want to push thru from the breech if you can, or push from the muzzle if you cannot?

And there is the taper ware gage for the muzzle, an auto response for the tapered muzzle is 'the cleaning rod did it'. I do not agree but we have so many snarky members I do not dare upsetting them.

F. Guffey

taper wear gage or gauge? as in tapered to show the diameter at the muzzle (vs the throat)?

[fguffey]

taper wear gage or gauge? as in tapered to show the diameter at the muzzle (vs the throat)?

I have a Starrett tool catalog that go back 100 years, in 100 years Starett has always referred to their tools as gages. Many years ago, they had a machinist handbook, same thing. and then there is the Machinist handbook; nowhere in all of the editions will you find anything as silly as guage or gauge being used to identify a gage.

F. Guffey

[butlersrangers]

FWIW - I have lost track of the original point of this thread. IIRC - it was rather nice and paid tribute to old posts that contained a lot of knowledge and memories of past contributors.

Things suddenly went bizarre with a display of old grudges.
As usual, everyone is a bit in the 'Right'.

English is such a fun language, Babel within itself!

Although "gauge" is the preferred spelling, "gage" is an old variant. It can be found in some dictionaries, right between "gag" and "gaggle".

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[PWC]

FWIW - I have lost track of the original point of this thread. IIRC - it was rather nice and paid tribute to old posts that contained a lot of knowledge and memories of past contributors.

Things suddenly went bizarre with a display of grudges

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3rd post on, Guffey derailed the post with comments on brass, and e eryone dutifully followed, except Lyman.......Baaaa!

[lyman]

FWIW - I have lost track of the original point of this thread. IIRC - it was rather nice and paid tribute to old posts that contained a lot of knowledge and memories of past contributors.

Things suddenly went bizarre with a display of old grudges.
As usual, everyone is a bit in the 'Right'.

English is such a fun language, Babel within itself!

Although "gauge" is the preferred spelling, "gage" is an old variant. It can be found in some dictionaries, right between "gag" and "gaggle".

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where is that damn like button....


maybe Guffey will do us a Favor,,,, or Favour,, and let us know which he prefers,

meanwhile sorry to prolong the drift

[fguffey]

Things suddenly went bizarre with a display of old grudges.
As usual, everyone is a bit in the 'Right'.

It is something they have done to their own foot (one of the other), they have different standards for different folks. It was not long ago most would say "everyone knows what the other means"; many years ago, I said I took a picture of my gages and then I said the picture weight 600 pounds. And now someone wants me to change the names of my gages? Again, I go to my 100-year-old Starrett catalog and then I go to my 100+ year old Starrett Machinist handbook and find nothing has changed.

If there was any updating to be done it would have been done in the machinist handbook, I have three different copies: no changes after all these years.

A writer/gunsmith/shooter/reloader wanted to learn to weld so he signed into a welding class taught by (in my opinion) the best welder at North Texas State/University of Texas Denton. The writer wrote books; one of the books covered chambering a rifle. I thought the book was an excellent book. I have two of them, one is the first edition, and the second book is the second edition. When I got the books, I had enough respect for the old professor and the man that wrote the book I did not say anything about the way gage was spelled Neither one of the two gentlemen used a technical proof writer. The professor held two doctoral degrees in education. He was a gunsmith, the man that taught machine shop at Norths Texas held a doctoral degree, they had a small gunsmith shop in Denton, Texas. For all the years I have known them I have never had a conversation that is as silly as the ones I get involved in on gun forums. Both have died, not something I wanted to do but I was asked to clean out their shops. I volunteered to pack up the off-campus office that belonged to one of them, I was allowed to do that while he was alive.

F. Guffey

[Johnny P]

Maybe the person that wrote the definition got it wrong?

I think I have a couple more, and all are spelled GAGE.

[butlersrangers]

The truth is there are two perfectly acceptable ways to spell gage/gauge. Both are correct.

[lyman]

3rd post on, Guffey derailed the post with comments on brass, and e eryone dutifully followed, except Lyman.......Baaaa!

if you prefer, I can prune this thead and remove the alternative paths

[PWC]

Not for me to say, evidently the folks here support changing thread directions from pillar to post because they keep answering.

If it stays active, the title should be changed, because it isn't what the OP started.

[Johnny P]

As used by U.S. Ordnance, gage was the noun, and gauged was the verb.

[lyman]

Not for me to say, evidently the folks here support changing thread directions from pillar to post because they keep answering.

If it stays active, the title should be changed, because it isn't what the OP started.

then I will leave it up to Dryheat,


gotta admit tho,, the topic turned a bit interesting,

[fguffey]

The truth is there are two perfectly acceptable ways to spell gage/gauge. Both are correct.

It is immature to have two standards for members. I have from the beginning claimed it is impossible to move the shoulder of a case back when sizing with a die that has full length case body support. Judging by the response by my critics there is not one member that that knows where to start investigating what happens to a case when sizing, firing and forming. And I would be wasting my time to suggest when finished the reloader that claims they can move the shoulder back when sizing must understand if they could move the shoulder back, they cannot develop 'the dreaded donut' inside the case. Part of this thread made a preserved turn, the topic of necking a case up and or down was mentioned; no one knew because no one offered information. Most went to Yaw Yawing, that is when people sit on their front porch and holler back and forth.

No one noticed I said, "please forgive", again I doubt I can find anyone that understands the meaning of 'forgive'.

F. Guffey