Griffin & Howe Style T Rifle on GB

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  • Cosine26
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 737

    #16
    Heavy Barrel 1924 International Match Rifle
    Further research indicates that the Auction Rifle is probably a 1924 International Match “FREE” rifle. In a recent issue of the SRS publication there is a documented 1924 International Match rifle that is only three digits away from the Auction rifle. Last three digits of Auction rifle = 200; last three digits of SRS rifle = 203.
    SRS rifle differs from the Auction rifle in a couple of items:
    1. Front target block is on the barrel and not the receiver as was specified for the 1924 IM Rifles.
    2. SRS rifle has a Remington barrel
    3. SRS Rifle has no stock bolts
    4. Palm Rest mount is like those shown in Brophy’s book-i.e. it is bolted to the side of the TG Assy and there is no floor plate.
    5. SRS rifle is equipped with a Rimkunas set trigger. According to the writing at the time, the WOODY trigger was superior to the Rimkunas.
    6. Bolt is polished as I thought all match rifles were. There is one possible discrepancy with the SRS rifle bolt. It is a “J6” bolt which dates to the early 20’s – 1919- 1921 according to VIS information. This would lead me to believe that the actions were not built special, but were rather assembled from selected “on hand” components.
    Since the “Style T” target rifle was not advertised for sale through the DCM until 1929, and the Auction rifle was sold through the DCM in 1927 (according to RTL) , the possibility of the Auction rifle being a “Style T” is remote.
    As I have indicated previously, the DCM offered for sale some of the “used” International Match rifle sometime in the late 20’s or early 30’s. Remember these team rifles belonged to the government and not the individual team members. It is my understanding, as I stated previously, that these “used” match rifles were well used. That does not preclude some of the team members buying them when they became u for sale. When FREE rile shooting started up after WWII, I remember reading about a couple of pre war FREE rifle shooters competing and making the statement that they used the pre-war rifles, but found them to be pretty well “shot out”.
    FWIW
    Last edited by Cosine26; 08-25-2013, 03:50.

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    • Tom
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 894

      #17
      Yes, I agree with Wolf, excellent info Cosine. I saw the smoothed-off serial number and it didn't even dawn on me that it was over-buffed. I wonder if that was done on purpose, as possibly was a stylistic feature of that era? it would take a lot of accidental buffing to get it that smoooth.
      Last edited by Tom; 08-24-2013, 08:16.

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      • Cosine26
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 737

        #18
        Here is an interesting item from the "Arms Chest" of the AMERICAN RFLEMAN for October 15, 1923. Larry Nuesslien was on the International Team for many years. Since this appears in a 1923 Rifleman, it must be one of the earlier Internatiion Match Rifles. Would you pay $55 for it?


        Last edited by Cosine26; 08-31-2013, 09:47.

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        • Bill Wylde
          Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 79

          #19
          1923 for 1924 003..JPG

          I believe this old klunk to be representative of the rifles Cosine speaks of. The serial number is 1257681 and the barrel is a 1 in 12" twist Winchester.

          This rifle is one of two that I've had for years. The other, not documented, is 1257703. That rifle has one of the 10" twist Winchester barrels.

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          • Cosine26
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 737

            #20
            Hi Bill
            I agree with you. I believe that 703 falls within the range of 1924 Internatiional Rifles. 701,702,704,705 and 706 are, as you probably know, documented as is 681.
            Nice rifle and a prize for the knowing.
            Last edited by Cosine26; 09-01-2013, 10:57.

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            • Bill Wylde
              Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 79

              #21
              I remember well shooting the 10" 703 rifle on Jack McCann's (near Edwardsville, IL) range @600 yards year ago. The bullet was a 190 Winchester with some known load of the day. The old bird shot very well! I'm not sure that the 681 rifle doesn't also have an interesting career while in the hands of former owner, Fred Johansen.

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              • Cosine26
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 737

                #22
                Hi Bill,
                I did not know Fred but he and my friend Roy Dunlap were memebers of the old Chigago Rifle team. 703 with the 190 Winchester bullets was a good combination. I'm an not sure that 681 with the 12' twist would shoot them as well. I used the 190 Sierra and the 200 gr Winchester bullet in my 300 H&H Winchester Bull gun. A day of shooting these in some of the long range matches with max loads was fairly tiring.
                Last edited by Cosine26; 09-02-2013, 10:11.

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                • Bill Wylde
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 79

                  #23
                  You don't have to tell me about that, Cosine. I shot the big 30's, but finally found the 6.5X.284. That's a LR cartridge! Off to KY dam tomorrow for some Catfish.....................

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