My new Rock Island 1903 just arrived today!

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  • Fred
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 4977

    #1

    My new Rock Island 1903 just arrived today!

    Well, It finally came and it's far better than I'd thought. I'm going to have to post some pictures as soon as I take care of our dogs who are outside somewhere looking for the Peacocks which are hopefully roosting up high off the ground tonight. My God, this rifle is too good to be true. The front sight is original and not a replacement like I'd thought. Just had to get the dirt off of everything. Almost 100 percent original finish on everything. Sure you're thinking... but you haven't seen it yet. I'm amazed. Bore is pristine too. The photo's will be coming real quick tonight.

    OK, here is the inspection stamp on the left side that I believe was put on by Ora E. Lindsay, who used this single letter stamp in 1917 and possibly 1918 at Rock Island Arsenal. However, below the first photo is another showing the firing proof stamp under the wrist which is a block P of the type applied at Springfield Arsenal.
    Nothing is stamped on the fore end tip of the stock. I'm reminded of the 1903 that I recently saw a photo of that showed a block P within the circle on the wrist but also showed an RI on the end of the fore end of the stock. That rifle was of course one of those that was assembled at Springfield Armory around 1927 or 1928 using a mixture of Rock Island and Springfield parts. I'm wondering, could it be that my rifle was also assembled at Springfield Armory at an earlier date just after or towards the end of WWI using parts that were supplied by Rock Island? There are some Springfield parts on it such as the safety, rear band, front band and possibly the rear sight leaf. The bolt is an earlier but unworn straight handle type from Rock Island and has a D1 on the end of the safety lug, which means that it was made in 1912 I believe. Anyway, the bore of this rifle is pristine and I don't use that term loosely. all of the parts on it seem to be from the correct time period of WWI, except for the bolt. The stock is also pristine with all edges sharp and clean. The barrel has the date of 7-18 on it and is of course a Rock Island. It's possible that the receiver is not case hardened or blued but is possibly the early Rock Island Parkerizing. It is 100 percent complete with no wear on the surface. John Beard can correct me on this if I'm off. If so, then like John told me earlier, the receiver is probably one of those lower than serial numbered receiver 285507 that was double heat treated. This information can be found within Nick Ferris' book, "Rock Island Rifle Model 1903" on pages 67, 68 & 69. Sorry for the bad photo's It's dark outside and so I have to use the library lighting in the house and it's pretty dismal. I'll take some better photo's outside tomorrow.
    Now, all that being said, what John Beard told me earlier about this rifle is in all probability accurate and true. John said that this rifle is probably one that was issued to a WWI era unit that disassembled all of their rifles upon receiving them and cleaned all of the parts and assembled the rifles again from separate piles of cleaned parts. However that still leaves me wondering about that L inspection stamp that could've been applied by Ora E. Lindsay who only worked at Rock Island Arsenal. Beats me.















    Last edited by Fred; 08-29-2013, 08:19.
  • CptEnglehorn
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 293

    #2
    beautiful rifle.

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    • p246
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 2216

      #3
      Nice find. Every rifle seems to always have one or two mysteries with it....that's part of the fun trying to figure it out.

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      • Fred
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 4977

        #4
        Here's some 1903 porn that I took this morning.








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        • Fred
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 4977

          #5
          Here are some more...









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          • Fred
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 4977

            #6
            Still more...









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            • Fred
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 4977

              #7
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              • Fred
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 4977

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                • Rick the Librarian
                  Super Moderator
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6700

                  #9
                  Nice rifle, Fred -- it's great to have a rifle with just a little bit of "mystery" to it!
                  "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                  --C.S. Lewis

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                  • Fred
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 4977

                    #10
                    Yea I guess so Rick. I'm glad that nobody else wanted it. I was the only one who pursued it. I'm real happy about that! The wife is hoping that it'll be the last 03 for awhile. As a matter of fact, she suggested that I try to sell it right away for a profit. Hell, it ain't about money or profit. It's about looking for, finding and finally obtaining a particular rifle that calls out to me. I don't wanna sell it. I wanna play with it for awhile.

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                    • mannparks
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 377

                      #11
                      Love them RI guns

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                      • Rick the Librarian
                        Super Moderator
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6700

                        #12
                        Ain't THAT the truth!!








                        "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                        --C.S. Lewis

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                        • Fred
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 4977

                          #13
                          Rick, that 3rd rifle that you've pictured is the one with the 7-18 barrel date. I'll bet that it too has a double heat treated receiver. I'd like to hear John's opinion on whether that receiver has the early Rock Island Parkerizing. Look at how well the rear sight fits too. Nice!
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                          • Rick the Librarian
                            Super Moderator
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6700

                            #14
                            It's academic, because it won't be a shooter. As I said, I got it as a "vehicle" for a POD stock I had. Sort of wished I would have kept the earlier stock, a JFC.
                            "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                            --C.S. Lewis

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                            • Fred
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 4977

                              #15
                              I'm going to use all of my 03's if and when the dreaded Mau Mau uprising occurs. That won't be happening though. LOL. After this, I'm just interested in continuing my acquisition of excellent and unissued WWI web and leather field gear. I'm anticipating a rise in collector prices for this stuff when the 2017 Centennial of our entry into WWI gets here. Don't want to see it disappear like all of the Civil War surplus stuff did that Dixie Gun Works used to sell by the box load before it was all bought up. Since we have a herd of horses, I've decided to piece together a U.S. 1916 over the Mexican border Expedition or WWI Cavalry outfit to throw on my favorite horse Travis. That includes a McClellan saddle, blanket, rifle scabbard, saddle bags, picket pin, bridle and all of the rest of the stuff. Ooops, can't forget the Patton Sword! Heck, why not? I'm just a big kid with a lot of time on my hands since I've retired early. LOL
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