Will someone please explain what all of these stampings are for?

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  • Fred
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 4977

    #1

    Will someone please explain what all of these stampings are for?

    Are these stampings British or what?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=377139763
  • Roadkingtrax
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 7835

    #2
    Yes, British import stamps I believe...as into England. It is actually a nitro proof load mark.

    Etching is weird on the bolt, and the star mark doesn't appear original.
    Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 11-21-2013, 09:41.
    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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    • Fred
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 4977

      #3
      Thanks Roadking. I thought that they seemed British and of course the Nitro proof stamp stood out. Well, I guess then that the rifle was Lend Lease! Interesting.

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      • John Beard
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 2275

        #4
        The markings are British export proof marks. Sometime in the first half of the 20th century, the British passed a law requiring that all arms EXPORTED from Britain had to be proof tested, regardless of manufacturer or origin. This requirement even applied to arms that were merely passing through Britain, as in import/export dealers. So, the rifle in question may be a lend/lease rifle, or it may be a rifle that originated from elsewhere and merely passed through Britain on its way here.

        For what it's worth. Hope this helps.

        J.B.

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        • Fred
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 4977

          #5
          Most interesting. Thanks John.

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          • chuckindenver
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3005

            #6
            nice rifle...bogus bolt...NZ or English..crispy...bet the bolt was lost along the way someplace.
            if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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            • m1903rifle
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 588

              #7
              Chuck,
              Are you saying that the W L/3 is incorrect or just the engraved serial number?It would appear that it is some ones attempt at "creating" a National Match. The "star" is definitely bogus.

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              • 1mark
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 390

                #8
                The serial number looks like it was placed on the bolt with a tracing machine. The number are just perfect. The bolts I have seen the s/n has placed on them by hand and they are not that neat.
                "Three people can keep a secret as long as two of them are dead" Mark Twain

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                • Rick the Librarian
                  Super Moderator
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6700

                  #9
                  I agree - totally bogus serial number on the bolt. I admit I've never seen one like THAT before!

                  I agree with John - these markings on the FRSB are often mistaken for "import" marks or "Lend Lease" markings - they are neither.
                  "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                  --C.S. Lewis

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                  • John Beard
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2275

                    #10
                    I was advised that the serial number on the bolt was laser-engraved. If so, then that would place the serial numbering in a much later time frame.

                    In any event, it is certainly the correct bolt for the rifle and very probably the original bolt. And the star gauge mark appears authentic.

                    J.B.
                    Last edited by John Beard; 11-21-2013, 06:21.

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                    • Rick the Librarian
                      Super Moderator
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6700

                      #11
                      Originally posted by John Beard
                      I was advised that the serial number on the bolt was laser-engraved. If so, then that would place the serial numbering in a much later time frame.

                      J.B.
                      John, you just haven't read your history ... John Garand was engaged in secret laser technology research at Springfield Armory and used several '03s as part of his experiments!!
                      "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                      --C.S. Lewis

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                      • John Beard
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2275

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rick the Librarian
                        John, you just haven't read your history ... John Garand was engaged in secret laser technology research at Springfield Armory and used several '03s as part of his experiments!!
                        You were supposed to keep that information confidential!!!! Now you've gone and disclosed it to the world and exposed our little secret!

                        J.B.

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                        • Rick the Librarian
                          Super Moderator
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6700

                          #13
                          Oh, I feel SOOOOO bad!! Can't you tell???
                          "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                          --C.S. Lewis

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                          • 1mark
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 390

                            #14
                            Rick is correct. The W L 3 stands for What a Laser 3rd generation.
                            "Three people can keep a secret as long as two of them are dead" Mark Twain

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                            • Rick the Librarian
                              Super Moderator
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6700

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 1mark
                              Rick is correct. The W L 3 stands for What a Laser 3rd generation.
                              WHAT?? You know, too??
                              "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                              --C.S. Lewis

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