Pre-War Rebuild, or something much more?

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  • SPEEDGUNNER
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 729

    #1

    Pre-War Rebuild, or something much more?

    I looked at an interesting Springfield Armory 1903 rifle today. The rifle has a serial number that puts it at 1923 production, but has a 9-40 barrel. The entire rifle is parkerized except bolt and rear sight, and it has a walnut "C" stock with a backwards "K" behind the cutoff. Bolt has the serial number of the rifle etched into it. If this rifle has been fired I would be surprised. The metal is as brand new, the stock is a fantastic piece of fiddleback walnut with nary a mark and dry as a bone, and the rifle is so sharp you could cut your finger on it. What is it?




    I used Canfield, Brophy and all 4 volumes of SRS to try to find out. ALL the rifles around this one were NM or IM, with the exception of 1 USMC rifle.

    Here are the details of my research:

    Springfield Armory
    1903 rifle
    serial 1257673.
    Receiver date 1923
    Barrel date 9-40
    1257640 was a National Match
    1257675 was an International Match
    1257678 was USMC Rifle
    1257679 was International Match

    The only numbered bolts beside match rifles were done by USMC

    International Match rifles exhibited the sporter style stock

    Original finish would have been a blue/black parkerizing (like bolt), this one is gray/green.

    My conclusion is that this was originally a match rifle, returned to arsenal for
    rebarrel, refinish and restocking (hence the K Keystone stock) and then
    re-issued, possibly to USMC, for training purposes before war started.

    What say you?
    "There's a race of men that don't fit in,
    A race that can't stay still;
    So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
    And they roam the world at will." - Robert Service
  • Johnny P
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 6260

    #2
    Didn't the Keystone C stocks come along about mid WWII. Appears stock was added after barrel was changed.

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    • Rick the Librarian
      Super Moderator
      • Aug 2009
      • 6700

      #3
      Yes, Keystone stocks came well into WWII. Looks like a USMC rifle to me.
      "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
      --C.S. Lewis

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      • CptEnglehorn
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 293

        #4
        ill add another vote for marine rifle.

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        • TDP0311
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2013
          • 240

          #5
          I'm looking at those drill holes... do they by any chance correspond to where the Unertl blocks would mount up?

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          • Kragrifle
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1161

            #6
            Too widely spaced

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            • SPEEDGUNNER
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 729

              #7
              Oh lookee here...with the owners permission I was able to take the rifle apart for a little looksee, what have we here?



              What is the spacing for Unertl blocks, holes on this one are:
              Receiver - 1 1/16"
              Barrel - 5/8"

              What is this rifle now???
              Last edited by SPEEDGUNNER; 03-06-2014, 08:01.
              "There's a race of men that don't fit in,
              A race that can't stay still;
              So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
              And they roam the world at will." - Robert Service

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              • chuckindenver
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 3005

                #8
                built up by someone other then the military,
                notice the dingers on the rear sight base from being removed, and installed by less then a skilled person, holes dont look to be in the right spacing, barrel was not installed by the USMC, finish is a restored current repark and not G.I.
                stock looks new, like it was installed a few months ago, finish isnt G.I. on the stock
                if this was a USMC mounted scope base set, you wouldnt be able to remove them, the originals were high temp soldered on as well as drilled and tapped,
                i say, collectors restore parts gun...
                if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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                • oakfarm
                  Junior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 23

                  #9
                  9-40 Barrel.....? HMMMM.SA ?

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                  • John Beard
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2275

                    #10
                    The rifle is a USMC rifle. The rifle appears to be a made-up vintage service replacement for a WWI sniper rifle, perhaps lost or damaged in combat.

                    Hope this helps.

                    J.B.
                    Last edited by John Beard; 03-06-2014, 10:16.

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                    • John Beard
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2275

                      #11
                      Originally posted by oakfarm
                      9-40 Barrel.....? HMMMM.SA ?
                      Yes.

                      J.B.

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                      • SPEEDGUNNER
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 729

                        #12
                        Barrel is SA 9-40. What does HMMMM mean? Hard to get enough light for a clear picture.

                        "There's a race of men that don't fit in,
                        A race that can't stay still;
                        So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
                        And they roam the world at will." - Robert Service

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                        • chuckindenver
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3005

                          #13
                          from the pictures posted.
                          in my opinion, the rifle was not assembled as it is by any branch of the military as it sits..
                          barrel may have been installed by the USMC...but the rest of the work, was not the quality of any armorer.
                          unless they built it on a hangover.
                          if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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                          • JimF
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 1179

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SPEEDGUNNER
                            . . . . . Hard to get enough light for a clear picture.
                            I think your problem is that the background is too "white/light".

                            It's shutting down the aperature, making the subject matter a black silhouette!

                            Try using an "earth" tone as a backdrop (brown, gray, etc.). --Jim

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                            • TDP0311
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 240

                              #15
                              So this rifle was must likely drilled after its time in USMC custody?

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