Characteristics of a M1903 1911NM or 1912NM

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  • m1903rifle
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 588

    #1

    Characteristics of a M1903 1911NM or 1912NM

    What characteristics would identify a M1903 rifle as a 1911NM or a 1912NM?
  • Rick the Librarian
    Super Moderator
    • Aug 2009
    • 6700

    #2
    I've got a 1915 NM, if that would help.
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    • m1903rifle
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 588

      #3
      Rick,
      Thanks for your reply. I have a few later NM 1903 rifles, but I know earlier ones were made. The 1911 rifle I have is correct in every way, and while wiping it down, I noticed it has polished rails and follower. I know that star gauge marking on the muzzle did not start until approx 1924. My question is basically would a M1911 NM rifle have other characteristics besides the polished rails and follower? I will try to attach a couple of pictures to show what I am referring to.

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      • John Beard
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 2275

        #4
        Many pre-WWI NM rifles can be identified by serial number.

        J.B.

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        • m1903rifle
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 588

          #5
          The serial number is:
          497754

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          • dave
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 6778

            #6
            Looks like wear marks to me. Only the parts the bolt rub on.
            You can never go home again.

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            • Promo
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 335

              #7
              It's not SRS listed, the preceeding NM rifle is "490255SG 10 16W VA RIFLE TEAM 1916 NM", the following NM rifle is "499052SG 10 16W VA RIFLE TEAM 1916 NM".

              What makes you believe a rifle with this serial should be a 1911 or 1912 NM rifle? I'm now referring to the year, not the NM characteristics.

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              • m1903rifle
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 588

                #8
                My rifle was manufactured in 1911. Some rifles from 1911 shown in Vi Shooter's list of Serial numbers and barrel date:

                SA 460593 SA 5-11 (CSP 3/06)
                SA 463xxx RIA 9-17
                SA 465142 SA 4-11 JFC, J1 bolt (CSP 1/09)
                SA 475xxx SA 4-11
                SA 477519 SA 4-11 JFC
                SA 477602 SA 4-11 JFC NM
                SA 483079 SA 7-11 B25
                SA 491353 SA-3-18
                SA 493669 Unmarked
                SA 494833 SA 9-19/A
                SA 499054 SA 3-12 JFC NM

                My question remains..........what other characteristics BESIDES polished rails and follower would a 1911NM rifle have?

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                • John Beard
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2275

                  #9
                  Your rifle does not fall in the serial range of known National Match rifles.

                  Some characteristics of 1911 National Match rifles were:

                  Sight line relief groove in the handguard
                  Checkered buttplate
                  Stoned and polished sear and cocking piece surfaces
                  Polished trigger and receiver bearing surfaces
                  Improved rifle barrel straightening
                  Furnished with spare tall front sights to lower the battle sight range

                  Hope this helps.

                  J.B.
                  Last edited by John Beard; 09-01-2014, 08:07.

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                  • m1903rifle
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 588

                    #10
                    John,

                    Thanks for the concise information. I'll check for some of the other characteristics.

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                    • John Beard
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2275

                      #11
                      As you perhaps noted, most of the characteristics mentioned are also common with service rifles from that period. But those characteristics originated from National Match experience. And that's documented!

                      What is the barrel date of your rifle? Please advise. Thanks!

                      J.B.
                      Last edited by John Beard; 09-02-2014, 02:07.

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