Early M1903 marked with "TENN"

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  • Rick the Librarian
    Super Moderator
    • Aug 2009
    • 6700

    #1

    Early M1903 marked with "TENN"

    A close friend got very lucky and found a completely original M1903 - #160,864 with an SA 05 barrel and BHM one-bolt stock. On the top of the "small" of the stock is a faint, but discernible "TENN". Ships' markings have been reported on a number of M1903s over the years, but, to my knowledge, never one in this position, usually on the buttstock. I wondered if anyone had any comments on this.

    Since the rifle appears to be in the condition it was in the early 1900s, I also have a theory about which "Tennessee" this may have been assigned to. Most of us are aware of the battleship Tennessee [BB43] which was at Pearl Harbor. However, the ship was not completed until 1919 and I am thinking that any M1903 on that ship would have been modified at least to WWI standards. I've also seen at least a couple of "TENN"-marked M1903s of a later vintage that have the markings on the buttstock.

    Not so well-known was the earlier Tennessee [ACR10], which was an armored cruiser and was in service from 1906 to 1922. The name was changed in 1916 to use the name for BB43. Shortly after the name-change, the Memphis (as it was now known), was hit by a rogue wave off Santo Domingo and the ship had to be abandoned. (The commanding officer was Capt. Edward Beach, father of the Edward Beach who served as a sub commander during WWII and wrote the novel Run Silent, Run Deep.)

    Here is a picture of the markings - there is also a "107" on the stock, which is probably a rack number. I am wondering if this rifle could have been assigned to the earlier ship. It I not listed on SRS.

    249 - Copy (1024x315).jpg

    Here is a picture of the Tennessee (ACR10):

    USS_Tennessee_(ACR-10).jpg
    Last edited by Rick the Librarian; 05-09-2015, 08:09.
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  • Fred
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 4977

    #2
    Very Interesting Rick!

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    • RCS
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 2180

      #3
      another TENN

      This rifle was found at a small gun show in GA about 10 or 12 years ago, the seller stated that it
      came from the CMP storeP1010047.jpgP1010049.jpgP1010064_0054_054.jpgP1010067_0057_057.jpg

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      • Rick the Librarian
        Super Moderator
        • Aug 2009
        • 6700

        #4
        Interesting - the lettering does look the same, but I could see this being on the "later" Tennessee, given the serial number. The "earlier" one was, in effect, out of service after 1916, although not officially stricken until 1922.
        "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
        --C.S. Lewis

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        • RCS
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 2180

          #5
          still another TENN marked stock

          This stock has the W.E.S. cartouche and a later two stock bolt stock

          First stock on SA 825055 was a D.A.L. cartoucheP1010032_0028_028.jpg

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          • Smokeeaterpilot
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2014
            • 290

            #6
            Rick? Where do you find these gems? That is just dripping with rich history. Absolutely amazing too bad not an SRS hit.

            I like the picture of the crusier

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            • Rick the Librarian
              Super Moderator
              • Aug 2009
              • 6700

              #7
              Not my rifle (although I wish it was). A local friend got it. All original, $699!
              "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
              --C.S. Lewis

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              • Smokeeaterpilot
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2014
                • 290

                #8
                Rick,

                I think I need to follow some of you guys around at a gun show. Maybe I'll get some of your "backsplash" of good luck!

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                • Rick the Librarian
                  Super Moderator
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6700

                  #9
                  Years ago, I got a reputation of always putting back down on a gunshow table the rifle I SHOULD have bought! The crowds following me got to really be a nuisance!!
                  "We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
                  --C.S. Lewis

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                  • Shooter5

                    #10
                    Nice! Very intriguing! Probably on to something. I have a soft spot for Tennessee since I've been stationed there several times; its also my daughters middle name! I wrote the State Historian once and asked if they had BB43 records for small arms inventory and unfortunately they did not.

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                    • Tdarmo
                      Member
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 97

                      #11
                      004.jpg005.jpg006.jpg This one also has the TENN on the stock

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                      • RCS
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2180

                        #12
                        Nice to find another TENN marked stock, do you think that the action and barrel are original to the stock ?

                        What is the barrel date ? and do you have the "Hatcher" hole in the receiver ?

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                        • sprg03
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 25

                          #13
                          Thank you Rick for posting my pictures! When i found this rifle in a local gun shop, I thought it was probably WAY out of my price range. When I was quoted the $699, it was all I could do to not rip the pocket off my pants to get to my credit card! I guess the old saying is true, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.

                          It would be interesting to be able to track the history of this rifle. Since it was refurbished from a 30-03 to 30-06, the thin, early trigger was replaced with a smooth, wider trigger. This is the only item I could find on the rifle that was not original. I wonder where this rifle had been hiding all these years? I'm happy Rick was able to post the pictures. The first thing my wife told me when I brought it home was: " No, you are not bringing it to bed with you!" :>)

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                          • sprg03
                            Junior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 25

                            #14
                            Thank you Rick for posting the picture of my rifle! Thank all of you for contributing to answers as to the "TENN" Stamp on the wrist of the stock. I would really like to discover the history of this rifle, but I fear it is an impossibility.

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                            • Gary L. Bush
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 102

                              #15
                              There are other organizations other than the U.S.Navy that would mark there equipment with the name of a state such as state prisons, state police and state militias (National Guard).x
                              x x x x x x I have found that U. S. Navy marked guns are done very neatly. Many of the U.S. Navy pre-WW II rifles that I have inspected appear to have had the ship's name burned into the wood with a one-piece branding iron.
                              I have only found a very few rifles of which I am absolutely certain were true, marked U.S. Navy rifles.

                              Gary Bush

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