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  • LSUTigersFan
    Junior Member
    • May 2016
    • 9

    #1

    Another "are these Marine 1903's?" post

    Gentlemen,

    I need the board’s advice on two Springfield 1903’s that I recently purchased and whether they are Marine 1903’s. I know from my research that identification of Marine 1903’s is more of an art than a science. Having spent six years’ in Marine Corps, I understand that any two Marines can find three different ways to do the same thing.

    I purchased them through the Rock Island Auction. I suspect I overpaid, and I am not really interested in anyone confirming my suspicion. But, being a history buff and a collector of old guns, the urge grabbed me, and I was really along for the ride.

    But, now on to the real questions

    Rifle #1

    Springfield Serial No. 572836

    No electro-pin serial on the bolt
    USMC 9-41 barrel with Sedgley circled “S"
    No obvious park, although the rear sight may have been parked
    Hatcher hole (opposite side from bolt handle) present and appears to have been de-burred as it is smoother than the other
    No markings on bolt arm
    No stipple on butt place, but it has a stamped, checkered butt plate
    Scant stock with boxed A.A.K. cartouche (“Augusta Arsenal”?)
    No obvious punch mark
    Have not broken down to check for markings on barrel
    Much later front sight cover than on other rifle

    Pics attached

    Rifle #2

    Springfield Serial No. 1353844

    Electro-pin serial on the bolt (serial number only)
    Springfield barrel from 4-30
    Obvious green park on receiver as are the bands. Bolt and rear sight are blued.
    Hatcher hole (opposite side from bolt handle) present appears to be post-manufacture drilling as it was not burred down
    “BF” over “47” stamped on bolt arm
    No stipple on butt place, but it has a stamped, checkered butt plate
    Scant stock with no markings and old
    No obvious punch mark
    Have not broken down to check for markings on barrel

    Thanks for reading. Enjoy your evening, or morning, as the case may be.

    Pics to follow (assuming I did this correctly)
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  • LSUTigersFan
    Junior Member
    • May 2016
    • 9

    #2
    More pics of rifle #1IMG_1160.JPGIMG_1161.JPGIMG_1162.JPG

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    • LSUTigersFan
      Junior Member
      • May 2016
      • 9

      #3
      Pics of rifle #2
      IMG_1163.JPGIMG_1165.JPGIMG_1166.JPGIMG_1168.JPG

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      • LSUTigersFan
        Junior Member
        • May 2016
        • 9

        #4
        And a few more of rifle #2
        IMG_1171.JPGIMG_1170.JPGIMG_1169.JPGIMG_1168.JPG

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        • LSUTigersFan
          Junior Member
          • May 2016
          • 9

          #5
          Also, rifle #2's bolt handle is slightly canted to the rear. I haven't had time yet to see what that signifies as regards to dates, model, etc.

          I can post clearer pics of anything if it would help.

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          • PhillipM
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 5937

            #6
            Originally posted by LSUTigersFan
            Also, rifle #2's bolt handle is slightly canted to the rear. I haven't had time yet to see what that signifies as regards to dates, model, etc.

            I can post clearer pics of anything if it would help.
            Swept bolt handles indicate manufacture post single heat treatment. A fee unswept bolts are double heat treated. BF 47 is Bonnie Forge replacement bolt made in WW2.

            I'll let the experts comment on the rest
            Phillip McGregor (OFC)
            "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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            • LSUTigersFan
              Junior Member
              • May 2016
              • 9

              #7
              Originally posted by PhillipM
              Swept bolt handles indicate manufacture post single heat treatment. A fee unswept bolts are double heat treated. BF 47 is Bonnie Forge replacement bolt made in WW2.

              I'll let the experts comment on the rest
              Thanks! I appreciate any history.

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              • Smokeeaterpilot
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2014
                • 290

                #8
                Very nice rifles. Congrats

                The "art" is in the traits

                The "science" is in the serial numbers

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                • cplnorton
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 2194

                  #9
                  The first one is for sure 100%. The second looks like one as well. The pics of it are sort of small and not much detail. But it looks like a late rebuild.

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                  • LSUTigersFan
                    Junior Member
                    • May 2016
                    • 9

                    #10
                    Some larger pics if it helps...
                    IMG_1172.jpg
                    IMG_1173.jpg
                    IMG_1174.jpg
                    IMG_1178.JPG
                    IMG_1179.jpg

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                    • LSUTigersFan
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2016
                      • 9

                      #11
                      And five more
                      IMG_1180.JPGIMG_1181.JPGIMG_1182.jpgIMG_1183.jpgIMG_1184.JPG

                      And to everyone who chimed in, a sincere thanks!

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                      • cplnorton
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 2194

                        #12
                        Yeah second one is Marine as well.

                        Semper Fi by the way!

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