1903 A4 that's been offered to me...

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  • Fred
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    • Sep 2009
    • 4977

    #16
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    • Fred
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      • Sep 2009
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      • Fred
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        • Sep 2009
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        • Fred
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          • Sep 2009
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          • Fred
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            • Sep 2009
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            #20
            Also. here are Two of the last run of rifles made of this type for the FBI (I'm not sure what specific model of 1903's these are, but you guys will know) that were assembled at Springfield Armory. There were 29 rifles in that last run. No more of this type were ever made after that. I believe that all 29 went to The Department Of Justice. That meant the F.B.I.
            So, these two rifles were used by the FBI. That's all that I know of them or that type.
            My buddy has offered each to me for $2,000.00.

            A note of interest... My army buddy, a retired Sergeant Major living in Missouri who I've known for 34 years, used to sit on his grand uncle's knee while the old soldier would tell him stories of when he was in World War II.
            My buddy's uncle was General Omar Bradley.
            I would've enjoyed hearing those stories.

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            • Fred
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              • Sep 2009
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              • Fred
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                • Sep 2009
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                • jgaynor
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                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1287

                  #23
                  Regarding the A4:
                  Like to see one more of the pistol grip close up of the "P" proof mark.
                  Does the stock appear to have been broken at the grip and repaired?
                  Is there a punch mark on the barrel at 6 o'clock under the cuts for the front sight base.

                  Over all an interesting piece and a nice example.

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                  • Fred
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                    • Sep 2009
                    • 4977

                    #24
                    #1 I'm not in possession of the rifle. It's a 3 1/2 hour drive to take another photo.

                    #2 The stock has not been broken.

                    #3 See #1 above.

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                    • Allen
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                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10583

                      #25
                      Looks nice Fred and great pictures. Appears to be about unissued but being a Remington isn't the bolt supposed to be blued or is the A4 the exception?

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                      • Fred
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                        • Sep 2009
                        • 4977

                        #26
                        I don't know anything about this type, so I'm just learning here. I'll call my buddy and ask him about these questions. Thanks Allen.
                        Last edited by Fred; 06-07-2016, 11:47.

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                        • cnjcomp
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 55

                          #27
                          Fred, AA on stock seems to indicate Augusta Arsenal and the P no circle is usually a rebuild proof. The barrel looks like it had a front sight base on it at one time. My original barreled A4 has no such marks. You need to find out if there is a punch mark @ 6'oclock. A4's were originally barreled with barrels that so marked to indicate that they did not need to be straightened. You also need to lift the bolt handle to determine if its a Remington A4 Bolt cut. Most of the Z prefix A4s I've seen were in scant stocks. All said, A very nice rifle.

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                          • Fred
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                            • Sep 2009
                            • 4977

                            #28
                            I'll call my buddy up and ask him those questions, then I'll answer them for you. Thanks!!

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                            • Fred
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                              • Sep 2009
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                              #29
                              OK, I've left a phone message for him about those questions.
                              Last edited by Fred; 06-07-2016, 11:21.

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                              • jgaynor
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                                • Nov 2009
                                • 1287

                                #30
                                Your rifle should have two "P" proofs on the grip - One in a 7/16" circular surround (Remington plant) and one in a square surround or without a surround(Augusta). It looks to me like there may be a trace of a square but its hard to tell from the pics.

                                As far as the punch mark on the barrel is concerned we know (since at least 1947 - see Sharp "The Rifle in America") that A4 barrels were selected to meet the uniformity of the final ream dimension. This was how Remington decided it would meet the governments accuracy criteria. The first I have heard of the barrel straightening assertion was an internet post from about a week ago. I have dozens of pics of A4's with the punch. Rifles with out it most likely have a replacement barrel although the date could be right in some cases.

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