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  • 1750Shooter
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 6

    #1

    Short Rifle?

    At a local gun show a dealer had 2 A3s that had been cut down to 18" bbl. length. Trying to pass them off as "carbine prototypes" @ $3K each. Knew they were fake & said so loudly, but it got me thinking - was there ever talk about a short rifle?
  • PhillipM
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 5937

    #2
    Yes, it was a 1903, not an A3 called a Bushmaster for troops in the Panama Canal Zone. Zero remain today as they were all dumped at sea or converted back to regular rifles.
    Phillip McGregor (OFC)
    "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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    • Kragrifle
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1161

      #3
      Not sure about the statement that none exist !

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      • louis
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 419

        #4
        There also was an experimental version that had a peep sight no traditional rear sight what looks like a 03A3 handguard it was suppose to be made as a Calvary carbine. Good looking rifle better than the bushmaster.

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        • Sunray
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3251

          #5
          The '03 was a short rifle. Suitable for the PBI or Cavalry. That's also where the 'Short" in 'Short Magazine Lee-Enfield' comes from.
          They used to say there were no Pedersen Devices in existence either.
          Spelling and grammar count!

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          • louis
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 419

            #6
            Brophy page 84 you'll see photos and a small info on the experimental 1903 carbine

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            • PhillipM
              Very Senior Member - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 5937

              #7
              I'm waiting for a Bushmaster to appear!
              Phillip McGregor (OFC)
              "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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              • louis
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 419

                #8
                That will be about the same as waiting for the prez to say Islamic terrorist

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                • Kragrifle
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1161

                  #9
                  Much rather see any Springfield than hear the Kenyan say anything.

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                  • pickax
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 113

                    #10
                    Wasn't there some short rifle conversions done in the Phillipines?

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                    • chuckindenver
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3005

                      #11
                      1903 Carbine, Cody arms museum.. basement level.
                      yes some are around.
                      if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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                      • louis
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 419

                        #12
                        Chuck, is that the springfield factory version. Shown on page 84 of Brophy's book. It has a 18" barrel. It's a nice looking rifle.

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                        • chuckindenver
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3005

                          #13
                          not sure, its been a while since iv seen the display. i have pictures someplace.
                          if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is.

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                          • Cosine26
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 737

                            #14
                            This is a picture of a M1903 modified in the Panama Canal zone as shown in either a 1941 or 1942 American Rifleman. The floor plate was stamped
                            "Modified by order of Colonel (I forget his name)". I do not know what happened to these rifloes

                            FWIW
                            Last edited by Cosine26; 07-19-2016, 09:28.

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                            • m1903rifle
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 588

                              #15
                              I think that is the same picture shown in Brophy's book.

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