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This is certainly the most likely explanation. Being a vet does not exempt one from the frailties of memory. Maybe there's some germ of truth to the tale, such as a particular rifle so badly worn that it would chamber 8mm, but the proposition that it was common practice in his unit can't be right.
Having been fascinated by "old stuff" since Jr. High, I began at that age putting questions about everything from old guns to old cars to any "oldster" who'd tolerate my interrogations. As I simultaneously began to read about the subjects of my interest, I soon discovered that many things I was being told just didn't jibe with the books. "Oral history," unsupported by documentation or other means of verification, just can't be trusted.Comment
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No ideal where most of this stuff comes from. The one think I know for sure is life was not fair to Farr. He arrived without a rifle; he selected one from a rack, he then was taken to an armoire where he selected another rifle, in all appearance there was nothing outstanding about the appearance of the rifle like being new. No consideration was given to Farr because of the late start.
8mm57: I have fired 8mm57 ammo in an 8mm06 rifle. There is .127" difference in length between the 8mm06 and 8mm57 from the shoulder to the case head. That means when the 8mm57 is fired in the 8mm/06 there is .127" clearance between the shoulder of the chamber and shoulder of the case. When the cases were ejected after firing the case took on the appearance of a 30/06 case with a short neck. The case head did not separate and the case did not stretch between the case body and case head.
8mm57: I have fired 8mm57 ammo in a 30/06 chamber. When the case was ejected it had the appearance of a case that was fired in a rifle with pistol power. The primer pocket was opened up, the case head was crushed between the cup above the web and case head, the case head expanded and the flash hole opened up. When 8mm57 is fired on a 30/06 chamber there is no way for the neck of the case to open up when releasing the bullet. And then there is that problem with the bore; in the perfect world the perfect 30/06 barrel has two diameters; one is .300" the other is .308". The perfect Mauser 8mm barrel has two diameters, one is .311 " and the other is .323". When it comes to destroying a case the difference in diameter between the 8mm bullet and 30/06 is enough to destroy the case and rifle.
A gunsmith in North Texas removed a 308 W case from a 25/06 rifle, it took him 4 hours, most thought the bullet had to be 4 inches when it left the barrel; I said had he not purchased cheap ammo he would have destroyed the rifle. And as expected everyone was soooo confused.
To chamber an 8mm57 round in a 30/06 chamber the case neck must be crushed at least .009". Because the of the shorter length of the 8mm57 all of the neck is ns not crushed.
And then there are other factors, some increase the danger and some forgive the reloader.
F. GuffeyComment
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No idea why people make stuff up when they post. One would think it'd be easier to just check.
Perhaps Farr, like most, arrived without a rifle as brand new service rifles were being provided? Rifles which were intentionally made for the matches and received considerable attention to accuracy?
New rifles. Made from the $100,000 appropriated for the matches that year.Last edited by 5MadFarmers; 09-14-2016, 08:25.Comment
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Farr used a rifle that had been repaired. Again, he picked a rifle from a rack. If life was fair everyone would have been been required to pick a rifle from a rack. If all rifles were equal it would not have been necessary for him to road test his first pick. And then there was that part that should have embarrassed the organizers. He should have been given the rifle he shot; he should have been able to leave with the rifle, instead a collection was taken to purchase the rifle and then it was shipped to him. I thought that was a disgrace, that was no way to treat an old shooter from Washington.No idea why people make stuff up when they post. One would think it'd be easier to just check.
Perhaps Farr, like most, arrived without a rifle as brand new service rifles were being provided? Rifles which were intentionally made for the matches and received considerable attention to accuracy?
New rifles. Made from the $100,000 appropriated for the matches that year.
F. GuffeyLast edited by fguffey; 09-14-2016, 08:38.Comment
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When picking a rack rifle there was a remote chance a shooter could have picked a Springfield 03 made in 1911, not all 03s made in 1911 were select but if Springfield's number one objective was accuracy all Springfield's would have been accurate.No idea why people make stuff up when they post. One would think it'd be easier to just check.
Perhaps Farr, like most, arrived without a rifle as brand new service rifles were being provided? Rifles which were intentionally made for the matches and received considerable attention to accuracy?
F. GuffeyLast edited by fguffey; 09-14-2016, 10:47.Comment
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