Accurate shooting M1917

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  • RC20
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 174

    #31
    And that is why sub machine guns while an issue item were not kept. The idea was self defense after a bail out or in lager.

    Inside a tank there was no room, ergo the pistols.

    Most of the time they would have been camped with infantry, carbine good enough and a lot easier to shoot well.

    My grand father was a Sherman tanker from 41 to 45. He had 5 tanks knocked out from under him. The first in North Africa hit a land mine. He was sitting in the commanders hatch and was blown clear. No one else in the crew made it. The others were , track shot off twice, main gun hit and cut in half. Turrent strike did not penetrate but turrent was stuck. He only talked about initially carrying a revolver and later a 1911. I never heard him say much about any long gun. He had Some experience unassing Shermans and bugging out. On the main gun and stuck turrent they drove out. He was 28 when he joined in early 41. All of his crew members called him Gramps.

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    • dryheat
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 10587

      #32
      This thread migrated. LOL
      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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      • p246
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 2216

        #33
        I'm blaming it on Merc and he started the thread so it's legal. lol

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        • Merc
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 1690

          #34
          Sorry guys. Things have a way of drifting away from the original subject. This has happened to several of my threads, but never this bad. Subs, pistols and tanks?

          How about getting back on track by posting some photos of your M1917s on this thread. IMHO M1917s are the among the best looking rifles that were ever made. I'll start if I can just find my camera.
          Last edited by Merc; 01-08-2017, 06:01.

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          • p246
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 2216

            #35
            [QUOTE=Merc;483934]Sorry guys. Things have a way of drifting away from the original subject. This has happened to several of my threads, but never this bad. Subs, pistols and tanks?

            How about getting back on track by posting some photos of your M1917s on this thread. IMHO M1917s are the among the best looking rifles that were ever made. I'll start if I can just find my camera.[/QUOTE

            Um I'm picking up a P14 tonight that was made at the Eddystone plant. I'll post of pick of it beside my Eddystone M1917 and get us back on track....but I don't think anyone minds if guys talking about subs, pistols, and tanks. Better than politics any old day.

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            • Merc
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 1690

              #36
              True. The only thing better than a pic of a M1917 rifle is a vintage pic of a dough boy holding one.

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              • Merc
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 1690

                #37
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                My Model of 1917 (November, 1917) Winchester rifle and bayonet.
                Last edited by Merc; 01-08-2017, 09:56.

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                • Merc
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 1690

                  #38
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                  Five more photos.
                  Last edited by Merc; 01-08-2017, 09:57.

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                  • Merc
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 1690

                    #39
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                    Five more photos.
                    Last edited by Merc; 01-08-2017, 09:57.

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                    • Merc
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 1690

                      #40
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                      Three more.

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                      • Merc
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 1690

                        #41
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                        Three more.

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                        • Merc
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2016
                          • 1690

                          #42
                          These pics might be going slightly off subject again since there's no connection to the M1917. I thought you guys might enjoy seeing three trophy Japanese tank battle flags. My uncle Frank was a Sergeant squad leader and carried a BAR. He served in the Army in the Philippines and was badly wounded by a grenade on Luzon shortly after the two snapshots were taken that brought an end of his WW2 service. He survived the war and passed away in 2010 at age 92. He's wearing the hat in the snapshots.

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                          • p246
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 2216

                            #43
                            As promised to get us back on M1917s kinda. My Eddystone M1917 Canadian Lend Lease (all matching) with Kerr sling in background and my 1916 Eddystone Pattern 14 repro sling which went through Weiden Repairs. Barrel/receiver/butt plate numbers match. Bolt is areplacement and rear sight bears different serial number. During weiden repair it lost its whale belly stock and volley sights and got a M1917 stock. The bore is not as nice as the 1917 which is near perfect. The p14 bore is frosted but has good rifling throughout so should shoot.IMG_1253.jpgIMG_1254.jpgIMG_1255.jpg

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                            • Merc
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2016
                              • 1690

                              #44
                              The P14 looks like an interesting rifle. I've been to lots of dealers and gun shows over the past few years and have yet to see one.

                              My M1917 also lost its original stock somewhere in time and now has a replacement that's stamped with a "T" on the front end. The stock has no proof, acceptance or inspector's marks stamped anywhere but it's in nice shape and fits the action well. The rifle was a mixmaster of Eddystone and Remington parts which I've since replaced with mostly NOS Winchester parts. Not surprised how much better they fit. The only component that is non Winchester other than the stock is the bolt and its internal parts which were made by Eddystone. It works and head spaces well so I'm in no hurry to find a Winchester bolt to replace it. Good thing because they are hard to find.

                              Some have suggested the "T" stamping on the stock stands for tall. I'm hopeful that somebody can recognize it and give me more information, i.e. OEM, pre or post WW2 rebuild, USGI or civilian replacement, etc.

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                              • Rick
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 2435

                                #45
                                Wife bought me a cut down 1917 Eddystone at a yard sale for $75. Close to new and full of grease it took a while to clean her up. The cut down stock was a OGEK in the box.

                                I put a scope on the rifle, a Timney trigger, free floated the barrel and set the stock bolts at 65 inch pounds. Purchased a 10x Leupold scope to put on rifle that I was saving to buy. While waiting I wanted to play with the scope so I mounted it on the 1917.

                                Working up loads using 4064 powder and the 168 Match King bullet 5/1000 off the lands I got her zeroed in and it show a lot of promise of being accurate.

                                Next time to the range I shot a 720/1000 inch 5 shot group from a cold barrel to point of aim at 200 yards. 720/1000 was the extreme edge to edge measurement so I think a guy could subtract 300/1000 of that group.

                                Must of been perfect day and the range gods were in my favor I really doubt if I could do that again. I do believe it will hold sub MOA.

                                It took a while and I had to buy another rifle to get the OGEK stock and handguards. to put my original rifle back to the original configuration. So far I just cant get myself to start this project.

                                Bad part about this rifle is it uses a leather cheek piece to raise the comb and a recoil pad to lengthen the LOP and its still the most uncomfortable rifle in the world to shoot. Best part is it must have been the most perfect barrel Eddystone ever produced.

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