Win 97 trench, opinions needed

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  • brick26
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 110

    #1

    Win 97 trench, opinions needed

    Please see more images below



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    Last edited by brick26; 09-01-2017, 04:01.
  • scosgt
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 673

    #2
    No pics!

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    • SPEEDGUNNER
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 729

      #3
      Photobucket is the $uck!
      "There's a race of men that don't fit in,
      A race that can't stay still;
      So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
      And they roam the world at will." - Robert Service

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      • brick26
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 110

        #4
        Could you see the pictures now?

        Last edited by brick26; 08-31-2017, 07:16.

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        • scosgt
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 673

          #5
          Nope

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          • 1563621
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 1103

            #6
            Switch to IMGUR

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            • brick26
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 110

              #7










              Last edited by brick26; 09-01-2017, 03:59.

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              • scosgt
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 673

                #8
                Serial looks too late for a WB cartouche and 6 row adapter. As well, the bomb on the receiver is generally seen on GHD proofed guns.
                None of this is absolute.
                Is the front end mismatched? Can not tell from the pics.
                There is something amiss on the adapter, one rivet shows the other appears totally ground down.
                The mag tube may not be right, it may be commercial.
                Need more detailed pics.

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                • brick26
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 110

                  #9
                  front end is matching, will post more pics





                  Last edited by brick26; 09-01-2017, 04:55.

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                  • scosgt
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 673

                    #10
                    The lug may be original but the heat shield is not. Missing rivets

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                    • brick26
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 110

                      #11
                      Rivets are fine
                      Last edited by brick26; 09-09-2017, 09:57.

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                      • scosgt
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 673

                        #12
                        Yah. They did not show up properly in the pics

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                        • scosgt
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 673

                          #13
                          it is a real trench gun, pretty sure of that.
                          But it may have been restored, because the parts seem to be a mix of early and late.
                          However, there is some variance. The mag tube does not look right, it is not from a trench.
                          Please post pics of the stock swivel inletting, it is almost impossible to fake - you need a milling machine - and that will tell it is is an original trench stock.
                          *usually* - NOT always - the WB cartouche goes on a gun with a six row adaptor and no bomb on the receiver.
                          GHD usually goes with a four row, bomb and often a filled front sight hole.
                          I had a pretty much unissued GHD in the 935K range that had a 6 row, no bomb on receiver. That would be a "transition" gun between the inspectors. This one is later, has the WB and the bomb. So it is possible the stock was switched. Or not. Not an exact science. From where I sit I can not say it is an absolutely correct trench, and at the prices they bring, collectors will feel the same.

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                          • scosgt
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 673

                            #14
                            Missing the period after the S on the side of the receiver. Bomb looks a little strange, light,
                            Can not tell much about the finish from the pics, could be a reblue.
                            It should be a bright shiney blue finish. It is rust blue, and if you shine a white light on it, like from an LED flashlight, you should be able to see the brown rust under the finish. If not, it was re-done, which would be consistent with the mix of parts.
                            These guns are so heavily faked you have to be really careful. It is NOT an obvious fake, but can not say from what I have seen that it is totally correct.

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                            • Tom Doniphon
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 526

                              #15
                              I think there is a period after the S. It's just lightly stamped, and the photo lighting makes it even more difficult to see. A lot of the trench guns in that serial number range have a lightly stuck period after the S.

                              I have data on a couple of other guns in this serial number range that are configured the same way: US & bomb on receiver, WB cartouche, and 6 row heat shield. But it's also around this serial number that the US & bomb marked receivers, GHD cartouche, and 4 row heat shield guns start to dominate.

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