Winchester 1897 riot or trench?

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  • lemmonhead
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 14

    #1

    Winchester 1897 riot or trench?

    A local gun store just put a Winchester 1897 up for sale. I don't know anything about these. A short description from memory. 20 inch barrel, no heat shield. At the end of the barrel underneath there were 2 marks looking like some kind of clamp was on the end of the barrel. They want $325. It is in fair condition. What to look for on these things? Are trech guns marked M97 or marked to indicate it was a trench gun and not a riot? From a quick look over there were no marking indicating it belong to the military.
    Last edited by lemmonhead; 10-01-2014, 07:53. Reason: spelling
  • scosgt
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 673

    #2
    You have to post photos. There is not way to determine anything from your description.

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    • lemmonhead
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 14

      #3
      Sorry, I am at work typing quickly and from memory. I will see if I can get some pictures later today. Serial number is E 674816. It has cyl on 20" barrel. Bead at end of barrel. I don't know enough to determine if the barrel has been cut to 20". It has a plastic buttplate.

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      • scosgt
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 673

        #4
        The serial falls within the WWI trench range. More than that no one can tell you without pictures.

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        • Dave L
          Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 82

          #5
          Should have three cuts in the end of barrel..probably had a poly choke on it at one time and removed.

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          • lemmonhead
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 14

            #6
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            • lemmonhead
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 14

              #7
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              • emmagee1917
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 1492

                #8
                Hummmmmm , interesting . Not up on WW1 guns , so I'll leave that to others . It is ( or was ) a trench barrel at one time . Either the barrel was cut taking off one of the handguard notches or it has an extended tube mag I'm not familiar with , using the third notch to hold it on.
                Chris

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                • trenchcrazy
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 93

                  #9
                  It's a World War I trench gun that the bayonet adapter has been cut down and lug ground off. Stock is not original.
                  Last edited by trenchcrazy; 10-02-2014, 09:05.

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                  • lemmonhead
                    Junior Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 14

                    #10
                    What would be a good price? Is there any other way to make sure it is a trench gun? I don't know squat about these things, more of a 1903 and Garand guy.

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                    Last edited by lemmonhead; 10-02-2014, 09:25.

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                    • scosgt
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 673

                      #11
                      Wrong stock. Missing adapter. It is an original trench, but at this point it is a project gun. Most collectors would not be real interested.

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                      • emmagee1917
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1492

                        #12
                        It would bring a shooter's price , say $250 to $300 . Original handguards and stocks are very rare on the loose , but you never know .
                        I was able to pick up a 520-30 , pretty nice , for $150 . Handguard missing but they belived barrel was cut ( no bead ) and stock cut and had a pad on it . Well , the barrel was fine and the stock had a pad , but was not cut . Found a guy with a box of buttplates and found a perfect match . $10 . I then lucked out on a proper , matching finished handguard for $300 + $15 shipping. So , I'm in it $475 , though it took 5-10 years to do.
                        Chris

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                        • 1563621
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 1103

                          #13
                          325 is not a bad price.

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                          • lemmonhead
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 14

                            #14
                            How hard is it to find parts to return this back to correct configuration? I saw Numrich has a repo heat shield. What about the stock, buttplate and bayonette lug?

                            The gun shop doesn't think or know it is a trench gun.

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                            • scosgt
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 673

                              #15
                              Originally posted by lemmonhead
                              How hard is it to find parts to return this back to correct configuration? I saw Numrich has a repo heat shield. What about the stock, buttplate and bayonette lug?

                              The gun shop doesn't think or know it is a trench gun.
                              Look up two posts above yours.

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