Need help on a price for a WWII Remington 31R

[desentis]

I am being asked to come up with a price for my WWII Remington 31. I'd appreciate some input of what's fair. I haven't really bought much lately.

Link to pics forthcoming (sorry, I had a bad link) Remington 31R not Ithaca.

Thanks in advance.

[1563621]

This one is at 2k and holding.

VINTAGE{ VERY RARE}Tactical Military 12 ga Shotgun
Auction # 453664317

[scosgt]

It REALLY depends on condition and how it is marked. Post some pics and I can give you some ideas.

[desentis]

Here are a few:

[scosgt]

If the barrel and stock are matching (and I think the stock is based on the fit in the pic) it is a $2000+ gun. Very rare complete and matching.

[Dave L]

I would be interested if barrel and stock match.
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[scosgt]

This one is at 2k and holding.

VINTAGE{ VERY RARE}Tactical Military 12 ga Shotgun
Auction # 453664317

The bidders are INSANE. If original, it is a POLICE gun, and they made plenty. But you have to check the barrel for a front sight hole, years ago there were plenty of adapters around, and it appears to be just a standard Police riot gun. If it was not built as a Trench, the value is $300 or so for the gun, a few hundred for the adapter. If original, I would say that today it may be worth $800. I bought and sold those in the past for $300. They are NOT rare by any means.

[scosgt]

OH by the way, I have seen those new in the box. The rear swivels were NOT installed at the factory, they were provided in the box. The fact that it is installed may or may not mean something.

[da gimp]

I don't like the mark on the barrel under the cyl mark.........it sure looks like something else was stamped/engraved there & filled by some type of braising...........this makes me hinky & I'd also appreciate a close up or two of the cartouche on the left side of the butt.............What is the length of the barrel.........? Wondering if it wasn't for USO/club use or to train trap/skeet shooters. Other than that, it's a decent old Remington pump...........

[scosgt]

He called it a 31R, so I am assuming it is riot length. In that serial range it should ONLY be a riot and nothing else, those last 2000 guns are the only ones marked US PROPERTY and I have never heard of or seen a long barrel at that number range, but I could be wrong.

I think the cartouche is OK, the Remington shotguns were often a light or off center strike. The stock LOOKS right from the photos, they are fitted and a replacement is quite obvious.

[desentis]

Thanks everyone. it is all original and matching. I was hampered by the system and only did a few pics to show the markings and condition. Here are couple more. The obliteration of the choke marking is to be expected on this gun. It looks like the pictures I've seen in the reference books.







I believe the stock is original, although the plate is cracked!

[scosgt]

That is a really nice gun. People do not realize how rare that is, there are not many more M31's marked US PROPERTY than there are Ithaca Trench guns. $2000+ gun.

I do not see any problem with the choke marking, in that range they are all riot guns.

However, I was told by the Remington historian years ago that prior to probably the 1950's they never made 20" barrels, the riot guns were made up from 26" barrels that were cut down. As always, YMMV.

[da gimp]

one other thing........as it seems that you & scosgt answered my other questions fully......... is it at all possible to obtain a factory letter from Remington on these & other Rem. firearms, like we can with Winchester? I've never heard anyone speak of them............. Thank you for your quick response guys.

[scosgt]

Can someone tell me what he is talking about re: the CYL marking? I can't see anything strange on my monitor

[1563621]

Looks like full is crossed out and cyl added.