Winchester Model 70 long range rifle.

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  • Calfed
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    • Nov 2009
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    #1

    Winchester Model 70 long range rifle.

    A few years back I glommed a 1965 Winchester M70 target model with a Hart barrel in 308. It came with a set of RPA "Trakker" sights and Earle scope mounting blocks. I got busy and kinda left the rifle in the back of the closet. Anyway, I've given up on trying to use the external adjustable scope mounts and went ahead and put a one-piece scope base on it. I also mouned an old Bausch and Lomb 6-24 x 40 scope that I had lying around.






    I took it to the range for a test firing. After getting it on paper with some cheap .308 ammo, I switched to 168 FGMM at 100 yards



    Moved back to 200 yards and switched to 175 gr FGMM



    Moved the target to 300 yards



    Finally tried some handloads at 300 yards...the Winchester liked 41.7 grs of 4064 best. (I was going to try a three shot group, but threw the third shot out at about 11 o'clock, so I turned it into a 5 shot group). I noticed that the point of impact shifted to the right when I switched to my reloads.

    Last edited by Calfed; 12-11-2015, 03:38.
    ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...
  • nf1e
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 2122

    #2
    Very nice indeed. I have been working with my Rem 700 quite a bit when I am not messing with the FN Spr.

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    • Calfed
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 734

      #3
      Originally posted by nf1e
      Very nice indeed. I have been working with my Rem 700 quite a bit when I am not messing with the FN Spr.
      Nice shooting.

      I won a Remington 40X in 7.62 at an auction earlier this week and am anxious to see how it is going to shoot.

      Only have the auction pics, but they were pretty good...





      Last edited by Calfed; 12-11-2015, 05:04.
      ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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      • nf1e
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        • Nov 2012
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        #4
        Nice. Are you going to scope it?

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        • Calfed
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          • Nov 2009
          • 734

          #5
          I probably will, but would like to shoot it with the sights as well.
          ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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          • nf1e
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
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            #6
            Awesome. The only rifle I shoot much with peep sights is my 03 with lyman sights. I use the .040 aperature.

            Last edited by nf1e; 12-12-2015, 11:49.

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            • Calfed
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 734

              #7
              Originally posted by nf1e
              Awesome. The only rifle I shoot much with peep sights is my 03 with lyman sights. I use the .040 aperature.
              That's a fine looking 03, n1fle.

              I've got a "thing" for 03 Target rifles myself. I've got Remington, Springfield and Rock Island models that have aperture sights added.

              The Remington




              Springfield




              And Rock Island




              ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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              • nf1e
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                • Nov 2012
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                #8
                Nice. My shoulder hurts just thinking of a day with your rifles. Just to show my ignorance, what are the stocks on the Remington and the Rock Island?

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                • Calfed
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                  • Nov 2009
                  • 734

                  #9
                  Originally posted by nf1e
                  Nice. My shoulder hurts just thinking of a day with your rifles. Just to show my ignorance, what are the stocks on the Remington and the Rock Island?
                  The Rock Island has a standard C stock that someone put a butt pad on.

                  The stock on the Remington is a mystery. It looks like a custom modification of a C stock.

                  Here are a few pictures I took of it next to a C stock




                  If it did start out as a C stock, the alterations to the buttstock are extensive

                  ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                  • nf1e
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                    • Nov 2012
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                    #10
                    Thanks. I am impressed.

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                    • Calfed
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 734

                      #11
                      Originally posted by nf1e
                      Thanks. I am impressed.
                      Thanks.

                      I've been f'ing around with the Rock Island, thinking about turning it into a 1941 USMC sniper rifle clone for the CMP Vintage Sniper Match. The RI '03 came with the scope mounting blocks and I've got most of what i need to complete the task. I mounted an 8X Lyman targetspot scope on it and will just need to add the rear sight back and pry off the old rubber butt pad and stick a steel butt plate back on.


                      ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                      • nf1e
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                        • Nov 2012
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                        #12
                        Sure is a fragile looking scope. Sure is fun to play with these critters especially when the receiver is already full of holes.

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                        • Calfed
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 734

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nf1e
                          Sure is a fragile looking scope. Sure is fun to play with these critters especially when the receiver is already full of holes.
                          I wouldn't D&T a military rifle myself...but if the dirty work has already been done, well...why not experiment.

                          The scope does look fragile, but the reality is that it slides in the mount as the gun recoils. These old external adjustment scopes usually come with a spring apparatus to push the scope back into position, but the CMP does not allow springs, because the Marines didn't use them. So when I shoot this, I have to remember to push the scope back into position before the next shot.

                          Here is a picture of a Unertl with the spring



                          And here's a Marine using the sniper rifle during WWII. You can see there is no spring on the scope.

                          Last edited by Calfed; 12-13-2015, 11:20.
                          ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                          • nf1e
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 2122

                            #14
                            Nice photos. I am familiar with the ext adj scopes. Sold all of mine off 40 years ago to finance my house. Since then, I shoot modern scopes on most everything.

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                            • Calfed
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 734

                              #15
                              Originally posted by nf1e
                              Nice photos. I am familiar with the ext adj scopes. Sold all of mine off 40 years ago to finance my house. Since then, I shoot modern scopes on most everything.
                              Amazing how expensive those old external adjusting scopes are.
                              ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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