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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #1

    One lie too far

    If my country can afford to spend billions to rebuild the neighborhoods of Baghdad for the benefit of Halliburton stock holders .... it can afford Puerto Rico
    One lie too far…

    Yeah, this country wasted billions in Iraq both before and after the war.

    Halliburton and it’s subsidiaries were simply not involved in rebuilding “neighborhoods” in Iraq or anywhere else. Those contracts went to lots of people. For example the U.S. wasted $40 million on building a prison, and then abandoned it… It had nothing to do with Halliburton.

    What Halliburton and KBR did was in largely in logistical support of our troops.during the war. Many of their payment requests were denied, others were errors in billing processes, clerical errors and mistakes. It happens in the fog of war. For example, they were denied a request for $121 million they paid out for private security for their workers. Seventy of their workers died because of lack of security. My oldest son worked for KBR, and was in a convoy in Iraq with no military support and was ambushed. Three American KBR employees and 12 Iraqi drivers were killed.

    They have also been charged with fraud. One particular claim said they were charging $70 per Coke to supply troops with refreshments. It sounds outrageous… but how much does it cost to bottle a coke, ship it halfway around the world, carry it 300 miles over a desert and deliver it ice cold to a sandbox outpost in the middle of a war zone?

    AS far as post war “rebuilding neighborhoods” are concerned, Halliburton got the $54 million contract to put out oilfield fires which they immediately subcontracted out to Boots and Coots, the oil fire experts.

    Arriana Huffington and others have even claimed Halliburton was at fault for the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Yeah, they made money on the clean up but had no relationship prior to the disaster.
  • Sandpebble
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 2196

    #2
    OK... Halliburton , Brown and Root .... Little Johnies Construction Co. ... who ever... who cares who... what about this ???


    Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund (IRRF) was established by the US Congress on November 6, 2003. It allocated $18.4 billion to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, damaged from years of neglect, sanctions, and war.

    As of March 29, 2006, approximately $16.3 billion, or 89%, had been obligated and $11.4 billion had been expended. The fund has come under some criticism due to the slowness with which the allocated money has been disbursed, largely because of the time-consuming US procurement process.

    A budget for the allocation of the $18.4 billion may be found here.

    Weekly updates on reconstruction spending are available from www.defendamerica.mil, and from www.usaid.gov.
    The duties of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction include oversight of expenditures from the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund.

    Funds from the US-operated IRRF are largely disbursed through contracts to private firms. Several US companies have been particularly prominent in receiving Iraq reconstruction funds. Bechtel of San Francisco, USA has been awarded over $2.4 billion for infrastructure rehabilitation through USAID contracts. Flour AMEC, LLC, Greenville, South Carolina, USA has been awarded nearly $1 billion for water, sewer of solid waste management systems. Parsons Corporation of Pasadena, California has been awarded $1.3 billion for construction services. Washington Group International of Boise, Idaho, USA has received awards of $580 million for water resource reconstruction projects. Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton of Houston, Texas has received awards of $580 million. Another $1.2 billion has been distributed to Iraqi contractors. In 2005/2006 Symbion Power of the US were awarded $250 million of competitively bid new fixed price electrical infrastructure work throughout the country. Symbion Power is a privately owned engineering firm with an ownership structure that involves a security company Hart Security.The dollar figures provided here are as of July 2006.[12]



    GET THE POINT ??
    Last edited by Sandpebble; 10-02-2017, 01:40.

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    • Vern Humphrey
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 15875

      #3
      Red, don't feed the trolls.

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      • RED
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11689

        #4
        GET THE POINT ??
        Yes, I get it!!!!!

        You are telling us that the only reason for the post war spending was "to enrich Halliburton stockholders." YOUR WORDS...

        KBR got only a $580 million dollar post war contract (roughly 5% of the spending) that contract had nothing to do with "rebuilding neighborhoods," it was mostly about putting out oil well fires.

        Again, you are telling us that the only reason for the post war spending was "to enrich Halliburton stockholders," but only gave them 5% of the contracts? YOUR WORDS...

        I'm sorry, i just cannot abide by liars, fakirs, and fakers.

        Beat me, bite me, and make me bleed, lying haters I do not heed.

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        • dryheat
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 10587

          #5
          What was the point of spending all that money? Anyone got a good answer? Only $580 million? Are you kidding me? Only 5%! Let's do the math. Well, somebody else do it, I'm not good with math. And I might have to throw up.
          If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            Originally posted by dryheat
            What was the point of spending all that money? Anyone got a good answer? Only $580 million? Are you kidding me? Only 5%! Let's do the math. Well, somebody else do it, I'm not good with math. And I might have to throw up.
            A lot of it went to repair battle damage, restore power and water and so on. See how much we spend on Puerto Rico -- and see if you think the amount is excessive.

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            • RED
              Very Senior Member - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 11689

              #7
              Originally posted by dryheat
              What was the point of spending all that money? Anyone got a good answer? Only $580 million? Are you kidding me? Only 5%! Let's do the math. Well, somebody else do it, I'm not good with math. And I might have to throw up.
              The point is not about the money... The claim is that the money was spent for one sole reason... Make Halliburton stock owners rich. That is a bald faced lie. I agree 100% that the amount we spent on Iraq is insane. I agree 100% that there were a lot of money lost, stolen, and, misspent and I was against boots on the ground all along.

              Then the liars come along and tell us the whole thing was just to make Halliburton stock holders rich. There was a thousand different reasons the money was spent on thousands of different things. That is as ridiculous as saying the only reason we went to the moon was to make John Glenn rich.

              I resent the Hell out of the American haters that make crap up just so they can take a knee and disrespect the nation, the flag, the anthem, and our veterans.

              The math... The total spent was $75 billion. 5% of 75 billion is $3.5 billion and if KBR got a $580 million contract, it is a fraction (less than 1%) of the total but (according to the troll) was 100% of the reason we spent the money.
              Last edited by RED; 10-03-2017, 11:53.

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              • AZshooter
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2017
                • 261

                #8
                There are construction companies who build homes. Some build neighborhoods. Some build entire shopping centers or sections of freeway.

                But when it comes to building an entire CITY, who has the means do to it? Halliburton comes to mind as one of the few big enough to capably handle the task.

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