Well she's dead meat now..........

[PWC]

"I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man"

[togor]

CH, the NRA gets plenty of money from industry, which gets it from us. Is it enough that I burn gas in my cars or do I have to write a check to the American Petroleum Institute?

[clintonhater]

CH, the NRA gets plenty of money from industry...

Refer me to your source for that data. Another contemptible excuse for shirking personal responsibility while others bear the burden.

At this moment, NRA is financing two separate court cases headed for the Supremes involving blatant suppression of the 2nd A. in NY. What do you suppose the legal expenses will be for just those two cases, not to mention those in other parts of the country? Expenses, of course, for the state of NY won't be a problem--tax payers provide unlimited funding for them.

The biggest case of all, however, is just getting started--the attempt by Conn. in support of the Sandy Hook fanatics (less the one who just committed suicide--wonderful news!) to overturn the law protecting gun manufacturers against frivolous suits for criminal misuse of their products. If that law is overturned, most major gunmakers in the country will be driven into bankruptcy by such suits as this one.

[togor]

Well CH I guess we'd have to come an agreement over the meaning of "plenty". The NRA subscribes to the "not one step backwards!" philosophy. I think it should be harder for guns to flow from lawful possession to criminals and anti-social types. So far as I can tell, this is not a NRA priority.

[Sako]

[QUOTE=Dick Hosmer;510552]


100 round magazines are not necessary outside of the military - I wouldn't even want the police to have them. I have no problem with the magazine that came standard on the prototype (M16) which was what, 30 rounds? That is plenty large enough for any type of range fun.

They come in pretty handy if you want to ruin a barrel.

[Vern Humphrey]

Refer me to your source for that data. Another contemptible excuse for shirking personal responsibility while others bear the burden.

I'll go out on a limb here and predict he will NOT give you sources. He'll blow smoke and huff and puff, but not provide hard data.

[togor]

I'll go out on a limb here and predict he will NOT give you sources. He'll blow smoke and huff and puff, but not provide hard data.

Sources for what exactly? That the NRA gets contributions from industry and from its own fund-raising activities? Go ahead and climb out on that limb for all I care.

[lyman]

[QUOTE=Sako;554035]

100 round magazines are not necessary outside of the military - I wouldn't even want the police to have them. I have no problem with the magazine that came standard on the prototype (M16) which was what, 30 rounds? That is plenty large enough for any type of range fun.

They come in pretty handy if you want to ruin a barrel.

death from a thousand cuts,,,,,

[clintonhater]

Sources for what exactly? That the NRA gets contributions from industry...

Yes, exactly that limb. That's the same lie always quoted by anti-gunners. If NRA was getting significant funding from industry, why would they be driving members crazy by solicitation letters?

[togor]

Yes, exactly that limb. That's the same lie always quoted by anti-gunners. If NRA was getting significant funding from industry, why would they be driving members crazy by solicitation letters?

I can answer that--

1. Because with money, more is better

2. Mobilization potential is the real benefit of having a membership, and encouraging donations cultivates a feeling that people have skin in the game, making them more likely to answer the call, to vote for candidate X or call Congressman Y.

I nonetheless think that the policy of "not one step backwards!" is not a long term formula for success, because by excluding even the possibility that moderate reforms exist and may be appropriate for changing times, by painting anyone who disagrees as an anti-gun extremist, you then enlarge the enemy camp. Meanwhile the old fashioned virtues like responsibility fade from youth culture and can't compete with the thrill of FPS video games. I also think that basic firearms ignorance hurts the anti-gunners, because many of their arguments are facile. If they ever get their sh*t together on that front, then watch out.

[clintonhater]

I can answer that--

No, you did not. You merely aired your gripes against NRA, not explain how you know the gun industry supports NRA.

[togor]

No, you did not. You merely aired your gripes against NRA, not explain how you know the gun industry supports NRA.

You asked why the NRA continually fund raises and I gave two logical reasons. I then stated rational reasons for disagreeing with the NRA's philosophy. You may not agree or like hearing it, but to react as you do sorta goes to why most gun owners aren't NRA members. Not bashing the NRA, but I am explaining why I think their appeal is limited.

[clintonhater]

You asked why the NRA continually fund raises and I gave two logical reasons.

No, that's an evasion; I asked (3 times, so far) for the source of your claim that NRA receives significant financial support from the gun industry.

[Vern Humphrey]

No, that's an evasion; I asked (3 times, so far) for the source of your claim that NRA receives significant financial support from the gun industry.

He's not going to answer you. As I have pointed out before, he's a narcissist, and believes reality has to conform to his imagination -- so he doesn't need sources or evidence.

[Roadkingtrax]

No, that's an evasion; I asked (3 times, so far) for the source of your claim that NRA receives significant financial support from the gun industry.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.amarkfoundation.org/nra-who-funds-the-nra-11-13-15.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjci6-PhqThAhVKvZ4KHSUADFc4ChAWMAJ6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw17fzgyUuVogT4_964-zZKV

I. Funding Summary
Membership dues totaling $175,577,863 contributed the largest percentage (50.5%) of the
NRA’s total revenue of $347,968,789 in 2013, the most recent year for which data are available.
The next biggest sources were $96.4 million from private contributions and grants (27.7%),
$27.61 million from unrelated business income (7.9%), and $24.5 million from advertising
income (7%).4
[See Appendix A for charts of all income sources reported by the NRA on its IRS
990 forms.]
Since 2004, fundraising revenue from contributions has grown twice as fast as income from
membership dues. The $96.4 million of contributions in 2013 represented a 108.2% increase
over the $46.3 million in contributions in 2004. This difference can be attributed to a shift in
fundraising strategy starting in 2005, when the NRA put more focus on soliciting donations from
individuals and corporations (including 22 gun manufacturers). As a result, the NRA’s finances
became more entwined with the success of the gun industry.